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uncle ricky 12-10-09 18:02
swiss army tyre
 
This is going to be my choice of tyre when mine have worn out or my be sooner


http://www.trelleborgtyres.co.uk/category_Trail_1.htm


Swiss Army tyre :blob7:

banksy 12-10-09 18:20
Hi Rick,

Tried dealing with Trelleborg a while ago looking at Mitas, Phoned the guy about 3 times chasing him up, When i asked what the speed rating was on the Mitas i was looking for he couldn't tell me and told me to ring another dealer to see if they knew!

As he was the dealer and didn't know simple info like that i thought best of it and went for TKC80s.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 12-10-09 18:25
I can't see where the knife, fork and special tool for getting stones out of horses hoves would go....... :laughing7:




:walk:

uncle ricky 12-10-09 20:13
Quote:
Originally Posted by banksy (Post 108294)
Hi Rick,

Tried dealing with Trelleborg a while ago looking at Mitas, Phoned the guy about 3 times chasing him up, When i asked what the speed rating was on the Mitas i was looking for he couldn't tell me and told me to ring another dealer to see if they knew!

As he was the dealer and didn't know simple info like that i thought best of it and went for TKC80s.

Mike, I would not think that they would be speed rated, if you use them or any proper enduro tyre you would only get 1 maybe 2 races and they would be Knacked. When I rode the Powys Enduro which is about 120 miles time card event, roads, fire track, bogs and forests that was it your new tyre Enduro was shagged after that so they are not built to last great miles the are designed for maximum grip of road and are road legal in name because the timed sections are linked by roads.


http://www.gumaker.hu/down/mit06.pdf



I had a swiss army tyre before and it was good on the road, and great for rocky climbs and muddy fields, I have used it to race on with the DRZ400 on 3 hour Hare and Hound races and green lanes (which we don,t have any more in Somerset)

banksy 12-10-09 21:06
Was looking at the Mitas E-07s. If my memory is right they turned out to be 'T' rated. But had to ask elsewhere to find it out.

banksy 02-11-09 18:17
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle ricky (Post 108290)
This is going to be my choice of tyre when mine have worn out or my be sooner


http://www.trelleborgtyres.co.uk/category_Trail_1.htm


Swiss Army tyre :blob7:
Rick... Have you ever used the front one of these? If so what do you think of them?

uncle ricky 02-11-09 18:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by banksy (Post 110689)
Rick... Have you ever used the front one of these? If so what do you think of them?
Hi Mike, no I haven't used a front before just the rear which grip brill in slippery wet mud.

I have been talking to the man who imports them today, very helpful

stevied1969 26-11-09 11:17
Look what just arrived at work :)

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...6112009020.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...6112009021.jpg

Some serious depth on these puppies!

Ordered them from http://www.trelleborgtyres.co.uk yesterday and they arrived this morning, top service and cheap too �96 for the pair, and that includes VAT and delivery!

uncle ricky 26-11-09 11:50
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevied1969 (Post 112773)
Look what just arrived at work :)

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...6112009020.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...6112009021.jpg

Some serious depth on these puppies!

Ordered them from http://www.trelleborgtyres.co.uk yesterday and they arrived this morning, top service and cheap too �96 for the pair, and that includes VAT and delivery!
Nice one, Keep them near a radiator in the house to warm them up. they have a stiff side wall and use plenty of tyre soap to get them on.
I use to hold my front brake on and spin the back wheel at first just to get the rear bedded in abit :glasses10:

mac-cos 26-11-09 11:54
are they the swiss army specials or the mitas?

stevied1969 26-11-09 12:10
Swiss army specials.

stevied1969 26-11-09 12:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keithblade (Post 112788)
Will you need to higher your front mud guard to get them knobbles in?
I don't think so, but ask me after this weekend :)

tripletom 26-11-09 14:11
Be interested to see how you get on on-road with these. Are you fitting them yourself?

DickyC 26-11-09 14:18
They will be great in the wet as you will be more like a paddle steamer!

Be interesting to hear how they feel/wear/sound etc.

Also be interested to see how they fit as I beleive the rear is a little narrower than the stock tyre. Good luck with fitting.

uncle ricky 26-11-09 14:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by tripletom (Post 112809)
Be interested to see how you get on on-road with these. Are you fitting them yourself?
I had them on my DRZ and done alot of road work, you can spin them up if you want to, you just ride and get use to them. You certainly won't get stuck in the mud and it grips well on rocky climbs with a little less tyre pressure

stevied1969 26-11-09 15:33
The rear is narrower yes, although the people at trelleborgtyres reckon that it should fit OK, and yes I will be fitting them myself, I figure it's good practice.

stuxtttr 26-11-09 15:55
watching with interest my rear is bald now and I need a pair of tyres that will be good on and off the road and last all winter

at under �100 for the pair I rekon I can even convince the missus otherwise its just a rear and use an old worn front :(

stevied1969 29-11-09 13:44
Well the new tyres are now fitted, no drama apart from breaking the bead on the existing tyres (Heidenau K60's) - My usual technique is to just stand on the tyre and bounce up and down to break it, didn't work this time though and had to resort to a couple of G clamps!

Had a quick run out with the Swiss Army tyres fitted, must say first impressions are that they are better on the road than I expected them to be, sure there was the usual 'falling off a cliff' feeling when cornering but I expected that, and it's pretty easy to light up the rear if you aren't careful with the throttle, but again that was expected. In three weeks time I am playing with the TRF in a large off road centre near Bradford, that should prove fun and will give me an idea as to what the tyres are like in the dirt.

mac-cos 29-11-09 15:51
Some pics of them fitted would be nice :D

uncle ricky 29-11-09 15:52
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevied1969 (Post 113082)
Well the new tyres are now fitted, no drama apart from breaking the bead on the existing tyres (Heidenau K60's) - My usual technique is to just stand on the tyre and bounce up and down to break it, didn't work this time though and had to resort to a couple of G clamps!

Had a quick run out with the Swiss Army tyres fitted, must say first impressions are that they are better on the road than I expected them to be, sure there was the usual 'falling off a cliff' feeling when cornering but I expected that, and it's pretty easy to light up the rear if you aren't careful with the throttle, but again that was expected. In three weeks time I am playing with the TRF in a large off road centre near Bradford, that should prove fun and will give me an idea as to what the tyres are like in the dirt.

Well done:eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_clap:, Lets be having a photo of them on the bike. You can light the back up like you said but it is predictable and great fun. You will have loads of fun off roading with them I guarantee it

stevied1969 30-11-09 08:55
Pics will follow shortly, possibly - in the car today so I will have to take some later in the week.

banksy 09-12-09 11:48
Got any pictures for us yet? Keen to see these fitted!:popcorn2:

stevied1969 09-12-09 11:52
I will have to take some with the bike in the garage, I am off the bike for the moment as I managed to rip off a toe nail this weekend, I can just about manage a pair of trainers but the thought of squeezing my foot into a pair of bike boots doesn't appeal! Typical as the weather looks good for the next few days too.

banksy 09-12-09 11:59
Bad news! Bet that smarts a bit!! :eek: It's always the way... Something happens to stop you riding just as the weather gets better... Heal soon!

stevied1969 11-12-09 22:27
Finally got around to taking a couple of pics of the bike with the swiss army tyres on:

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/DSCF0005.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/DSCF0006.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/DSCF0007.jpg

DickyC 12-12-09 02:47
You need to ride. Rusty disks! Looking forward to reports on how they feel/work.

stevied1969 12-12-09 10:40
Quote:
Originally Posted by DickyC (Post 114012)
You need to ride. Rusty disks! Looking forward to reports on how they feel/work.
LOL, yeah I thought that when I saw them, washing the bike and then not drying off the disks = poor idea

Nelis 13-12-09 20:27
I really like knobbie tyres, but i'm not sure how they will react in the wet.
I live in Holland, so we have a lot of rain.
During this time of the year, we also have some icing.

How are knobbies when used on the highway??
Like when going on holiday or so.


Right know i drive with Siracs, but i would like to have knobbies

Loopydog 14-12-09 17:53
StevieD ... thanks for the pics. I'm going to order some. To spare my blushes, what sizes do I need to order for my Tenere? Yes, I'm useless, but I'll get someone to fit them, so don't want to appear overly stupid to the good people of Trellesport.
Thanks in anticipation.

uncle ricky 14-12-09 19:08
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loopydog (Post 114175)
StevieD ... thanks for the pics. I'm going to order some. To spare my blushes, what sizes do I need to order for my Tenere? Yes, I'm useless, but I'll get someone to fit them, so don't want to appear overly stupid to the good people of Trellesport.
Thanks in anticipation.

17inch rear and 21 inch front they only do one width. You won't appear stupid
he is very helpful.

stevied1969 14-12-09 19:17
Like Ricky says, they only do one size for each tyre
4.75-17 (For the Rear)
120/90-18 (For the people with proper trail bikes)
90/90-21 (For the front)

They definitely don't inspire confidence on the road as you can feel the blocks moving about a bit, but you do get used to it fairly quickly. When you first start riding on the road with them just take your time, make sure you slow down for corners in plenty of time and then just gently accelerate through them, the gentle acceleration (which is good style anyway) makes a huge difference into how comfortable the bike feels.

Off round a local 4*4 center all day this Saturday with the guys and girls from the West Yorkshire TRF (snow willing) so I will let you know how they feel on the dirt and hopefully will have plenty of pictures too.

mac-cos 14-12-09 19:25
To get a bit of diversity in the tyres used I thought I try the michelin T63s from the pics posted I think the michs have bigger blocks on the rear though front maybe similar, some Pics in T63 thread

Will probably try fitting these this weekend.
These have speed rating to 112mph so not a lot short of the potential top end.

uncle ricky 14-12-09 19:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevied1969 (Post 114185)
Like Ricky says, they only do one size for each tyre
4.75-17 (For the Rear)
120/90-18 (For the people with proper trail bikes)
90/90-21 (For the front)

They definitely don't inspire confidence on the road as you can feel the blocks moving about a bit, but you do get used to it fairly quickly. When you first start riding on the road with them just take your time, make sure you slow down for corners in plenty of time and then just gently accelerate through them, the gentle acceleration (which is good style anyway) makes a huge difference into how comfortable the bike feels.

Off round a local 4*4 center all day this Saturday with the guys and girls from the West Yorkshire TRF (snow willing) so I will let you know how they feel on the dirt and hopefully will have plenty of pictures too.
Don't let to much pressure out when you go off roading because you will spin the wheel and rip the valve from the tube unless you have fitted a rim lock. They have a very stiff side wall which you probaly found out when you fitted them.

Also another little tip nothing to do with the tyres, loosen off the allen bolts on your front brake and clutch levers a tad so that you can move them on the handle bars with a little effort, so WHEN you drop your bike the levers will rotate on the handle bars instead of bending or breaking, even if you have hand guards fitted. Mine are like that on mine and they were on all my enduro bikes which were dropped loads of times while racing and never busted a lever.

stevied1969 14-12-09 19:42
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle ricky (Post 114188)
Don't let to much pressure out when you go off roading because you will spin the wheel and rip the valve from the tube unless you have fitted a rim lock. They have a very stiff side wall which you probaly found out when you fitted them.
Does dropping the pressure really make a lot of difference? I must admit I was just going to turn up on Saturday morning, point the Ten at the dirt and see what happens. Is it really worth dropping the pressure?

Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle ricky (Post 114188)
Also another little tip nothing to do with the tyres, loosen off the allen bolts on your front brake and clutch levers a tad so that you can move them on the handle bars with a little effort, so WHEN you drop your bike the levers will rotate on the handle bars instead of bending or breaking, even if you have hand guards fitted.
That I was planning to do, would be gutted if I snapped a lever early on, although I may take a spare brake and clutch lever with me anyway, just in case!

DickyC 14-12-09 20:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by mac-cos (Post 114187)
To get a bit of diversity in the tyres used I thought I try the michelin T63s from the pics posted I think the michs have bigger blocks on the rear though front maybe similar, some rough pics attached

Will probably try fitting these this weekend.
These have speed rating to 112mph so not a lot short of the potential top end.
I was looking at these with interest. They seem to have the blocks but without the depth of the 'Army' tyres. A bit more stable maybe on the roads and cornering.

Be interested to here about these as well so please all, keep the reports coming. I know its only opinions from individuals who's riding styles and locations difer greatly but thats better than the marketing blurb from websites.

Looking forward to the report about the 'Army' tyre off road. Bet it will be great!

uncle ricky 14-12-09 21:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevied1969 (Post 114190)
Does dropping the pressure really make a lot of difference? I must admit I was just going to turn up on Saturday morning, point the Ten at the dirt and see what happens. Is it really worth dropping the pressure?


That I was planning to do, would be gutted if I snapped a lever early on, although I may take a spare brake and clutch lever with me anyway, just in case!
Me personally, I would run the rear at 25psi for off roading. You will very surprised at the different amount of grip you will get with less pressure. When racing I have only have 10-12 psi BUT the bike was only 100kg in weight (KTM 300) and the wheel was fitted with a rim lock (holds the tyre firmly to the wheel).

When I had the swiss army tyre fitted to the DRZ400 I would only have 12psi and that was for road work also, you soon get use to the tyre.

It is a Knobbly so you will have less grip on the road by the very nature of the tyre having less rubber in contact with the road, but you certainly won't get stuck when riding off road. You pays your money and takes your choice

jasext 15-12-09 00:36
Never had the chance to take the ten offroad but used to take my R version everywhere ,i used to run Pirelli mt21 as the bike was used mostly offroad and found that 20-22 psi was perfect ,sometimes went down to 18 but you are prone to compression punctures if you go any lower due to the weight .
There is only so much people can tell you about riding offroad but untill you go and try it you will be thrilled and back for more very soon ,and the cudos of taking a big bike where others take enduro bikes

Couple of old pics

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/DSC00157.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/DSC00006.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/DSC00026.jpg

banksy 19-12-09 11:15
Quote:
Originally Posted by mac-cos (Post 114187)
To get a bit of diversity in the tyres used I thought I try the michelin T63s from the pics posted I think the michs have bigger blocks on the rear though front maybe similar, some rough pics attached
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a84...s/IMG_0033.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a84...s/IMG_0032.jpg
Will probably try fitting these this weekend.
These have speed rating to 112mph so not a lot short of the potential top end.

Can i ask where you got these from and for how much?

mac-cos 19-12-09 12:11
Quote:
Originally Posted by banksy (Post 114609)
Can i ask where you got these from and for how much?
www.mytyres.co.uk prices on the website

uncle ricky 19-12-09 12:42
Quote:
Originally Posted by banksy (Post 114609)
Can i ask where you got these from and for how much?
Here you Banksy

http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl


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