Hello everyone,

I've had the Tenere for 2 1/2 years now and I've been contemplating fitting Kev's mod. I've done a fair amount of touring, both on and off road and have always been happy with the engine. I'm just frugal I guess.

I recently found this via Google. A very interesting piece of information I find. Never heard anyone say that before. What do you guys think?

It is but just one man's opinion. This has cropped up before, on Facebook, and he’s quite possibly deliberately stirring up contention, controversy, drama and provoking an argument (re: the Kev Mod comments) and succeeding to do so.

There are several clues that suggest he doesn't know what he's on about :

There is a huge amount of evidence (here and elsewhere) from dyno tests that clearly show the XT runs lean in stock trim. They definitely don't run rich from the factory - fact.

Nothing to do with the ECU "learning", in fact the XT ECU has very limited capacity for learning, it's a bit thick! It is just the AIS doing what it does, and what it always will do to infinity and beyond - it won't change, unless you physically intervene and disconnect it. What a load of nonsense.

I wouldn't give to much credence to what one person says. He probably still thinks the Earth is flat and the moon's made of cheese!

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I agree with Pleiades, if the turn you key off then run again, then how come my Akras still 'popped' the next day after fitting them? Even the Dealer where I bought the bike recommend I block the AIS with the pipes fitted. I am more than happy with the Kev mods I've fitted, as are a lot of others I'm sure. I reckon all the Kev mods out there have racked up more than 90k's between them. & I can't recall hearing any problem's with them.

That just my opinion.

The possible troll you speak of has actually riden more XT660s than anyone on this forum will and probably more Offroad miles too.
Meet Greg.. http://youtu.be/dnUzw-U27eA
While you might not agree with his opinion a quick bit or research would save the old "foot in mouth" syndrome when deciding on who's opinion is more valid.
Worth having a little look at his exploits and the ride group he "owns" as this alone sees him and the other owners pre-ride all the tracks and more before leading the group rides.
His current stable of XT660s and he also has two well setup WRs for short runs can be seen on the ADVrider forum...

Check out THIS and THIS just set aside a few days and keep an eye out for TB650 and then you can make an informed decision on his troll status.
Personally I have both air and fuel mod and as a seat of the pants I'm more than happy with the KevMods.

I'm sure a bog standard Tenere will do everything and cope with most things, as Jenny Morgan found when she did 20,000 miles around America. ...BUT, there is no doubt they can be improved with some well thought out mods. The Kev mod, which has been extensively tested combined with the 02controller and DNA set up has made a really seat of the pants difference to my bike. So much so that I consider my performance mods done now, the rest of my Tenere journey will be about suspension, luggage, wheels etc!. None of which are truly necessary but will turn the Ten into 'Steve 's ' bike! Steve

You'll notice that I was very careful to highlight "just my opinion of course" in orange in his original quote. At no point did I say his opinion about the Kev mod was wrong, even though I personally don't agree with it and there's a LOT or evidence to suggest otherwise. I merely pointed out a couple of things that ARE factually incorrect about his statements on the general working of the XT660's fuelling control.

As I've all ready said; it is his opinion (to which he's entitled). I just want the members here to see the big picture, the broadest view of things, which is why I suggested not giving credence to ONE person's opinion over thousands of others.

Just because someone has ridden 90 "thousand" (Kms I'd guess) on four teneres doesn't make their opinion any more valid, or right. I drink 90K+ cups of tea a year and it most certainly doesn't make me a tea expert, although I do have an opinion on which I prefer.

I still hold with the opinion that these comments were originally made to stir up trouble, a bee's nest, hence the reference to trolling (and the use of "quite possibly" - I didn't say he was.) As far as I can see he's been doing a successful job stirring things up elsewhere on the Kev mod issue, and he now appears to be doing the same here and through the back door so to speak.

If XT660.com members start falling out with each other over Greg's comments I shall delete this thread. It has been done to death elsewhere on the web. XT660.com is not a portal for inflamatory comments, trolling and scare-mongering, especially when the source doesn't even appear to be a member.

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Might I then suggest you curb your inflammatory language. Labelling someone who gave their opinion on another forum that another member here cut and pasted the comments certainly does not deserve the label of a TROLL in anyone's opinion. Then a page justifying a baseless accusation?? If you don't agree with his statement, as I dont, then just address that... No need for the escalation by name calling.

OK, fair enough, saying �he�s quite possibly a troll� is a probably a bit harsh. Let me re-phrase it to: he�s quite possibly deliberately stirring up contention, controversy, drama and provoking an argument (re: the Kev Mod comments) and succeeding to do so.

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Chill time.

I think the 'Troll' discussion has reached a suitable stop point. Thank you.

Back to the OP.

If you are happy with the bike, then why the thoughts for a change? I only ask because the reason will really dictate the answer.

I've never fitted the Kev-Mod fuel adjuster, I went directly to the PC-V (with the DNA Stage 1& 2), I also have an early MTC (one of the less noisy ones). I found a very real and noticeable difference from the off.

Since then I have fitted the O2 tuner (Kev-mod again) and this has improved low end power, pick up and economy - though I don't know why.

Yes, these things are subjective and come down to the rider, bike, where in the world/environment etc.

Some guys have made the mods, then reverted and say they see no difference - again it's subjective.

XT660 is a great resource, it's full of real world opinions, facts and evidence. What you need to look for is congruence through those opinions. Then you will find the answers that fit your own circumstances.

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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

I just realised I can't spell. It was obviously meant to read "thoughts".

Anyway, I'm sorry if I caused a bit of an argument in the forum. It definitely wasn't my intention to do so.

I've decided to get the fuel and O2 mod. Mainly because I want to do some touring with my girlfriend, so a bit more oomph would be quite nice. And before you ask, no, she's not fat

Thanks for all the thoughts and information.

Peace