Although I prefer the x but will probably need to settle for an r (just prefer the sm style) plus all the x's are miles from me and over my budget. But then if (IF) I went for an r and converted it, it'd cost as much or more than looking an r in the first place. Truth be told most/all the riding will be on the rds, was also looking at tdm's but another debate.

The only think putting me off r's is the 21 front wheel and crap looking "thin" swingers compared to a thicker one on x's and later models. I guess engines and the rest and the same

Decisions..

That's nice..

I really don't know what try and get, like I say I do like the xt's but prefer the x to the r and trying to find x front ends to convert are hellish. Was also looking tigers but think the weigh and nibbleness of xt's might win

Thanks for the link.......I don't want a 400 though the lowest is 650.....don't like that Ktm at all can't afford it anyway . The last thumpers I had were xr650r sm (kick only) and rc30 (ccm). I still don't know why I sold that bloody 650r

Something about it don't like....and something I do

I think I'll stick to the xt's or maybe the tdm....unless something unexpected turns up

Just been to the Rocket centre at blackburn they have a beautiful silver XTZ660 tenere with lowered suspension for �5499 7400 miles and also a very good condition XTX660 didnt look at the price/mileage but it looks a minter . tel 01254 297810

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I haven't ridden an s but it was a serious option for me at the time.
the R has a higher ground clearance and check how hard the suspension is on the S. Also check the ride height, I think the s saddle is slightly taller

even for road use I find the compliant suspension of the R excellent for dealing with potholes and bad road repairs and rumble strips!
the 21" front is cumbersome but is more useful for climbing kerbs and obstacles

this is what I cinsidered when looking at XT the rest is really your preference and use