yes the pannier are ott ..i wont be having them
i am a softie ... there is a soft luggage option at 200 quid with support rails ..its not big but may be perfect for a band b run for a couple of nights
i may well just get it with the bike ...id have to see it in the flesh first though ..this is the only pictute of it on the bike




the tractive thingy is for 10 stage elecronic preload ..optional extra ..but not for me