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              uberthumper  
              I wonder if it's because they're made for both tubed and tubeless use that they're ******s to get on/off?
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         That was my guess. The bead was a pig to get over the rim and had to be seated in the opposite well absolutaly right, before it would even come off the wheel.
         
        
 In any case, I think they'll be off before we see any wet leave on the ground. Back to TKC's I think.