Hi bill thanks for your reply,I agree with what you have said,I will probably never go off road and use it for commuting in the summer months only,also the saving in monies is also a big factor,don't get me wrong the gs800 in a great bike but I think it is alot off money for what it is and the xtx is good value for money especially second hand as the bms seem to hold there value,I also past my motorbike test over 20 years ago on a yamaha dt 125 and was a great little bike,cheers Iain.