Thanks for the reply mate, i sort of thought that would be the case but hoped for some easier way of bolting them on.

Will have to leave it till the weekend then as having the arse end of the bike hanging off is not good when i need the thing for work. Will post pics of custom made rails when i get them done.

Only trouble is every time i think of what i need to go camping and how to get it on the bike with less/no hassle the rails get more complicated and exotic. Will end up looking like a Pikey caravan welded/bolted to the back end!!!!!

Crusty