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CaptMoto 22-03-09 15:11
DNA launches new air filter for 08-09 Tenere
 
YAMAHA - XT 660Z Tenere 08’-09'
Filters Data - Model code: R-Y6E08-01
http://www.dnafilters.com/photos/R-Y6E08-01.jpg


XT 660Z TENERE AIR BOX COVER STAGE2 (S2) 08'-09'
Filters Data - Model code: TC-Y6E08-S2
http://www.dnafilters.com/photos/TC-Y6E08-S2STD.jpg

While I am on the subject, it is understood that at the moment there are no official distributors / resellers for DNA Filters in UK, and I was contacted by DNA Filters Ltd this morning with their intention to strike a sponsorship deal with us and hopefully establishing also a distribution deal directly through :660:

so... watch this space ;)

Kev 22-03-09 22:19
Sounds good.

banksy 24-03-09 11:46
Just looked on DNA's web site and found the snorkle replacement.. They say there that it should only be fitted to bikes that have had their fueling tweeked to suit.. Guys here have modded their own snorkles and have reported an lmprovement..

Is this just DNA covering there own backs?

Would i notice any improvement fitting one to an otherwise stock bike?

Anyone got a price for this part?

Many thanks.......... :hidesbehindsofa[1]:

CaptMoto 24-03-09 13:47
Well first of all,

before anyone here shoots any sentences about DNA without knowing who they really are and what they do, let me inform you that the managing director of DNA has just joined this forum to promote and advertise their product, and hopefully to establish a sponsorship and distributor program with :660:

You will see a member called DNA and that is him, I am sure he will be happy to reply to any technical questions regarding air filters, which I ask you to be polite and respectful about it.

DNA will also be able to provide dyno charts to prove the improvement obtained with their filters so let's just wait and see.

DNA 24-03-09 17:24
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 87034)
Well first of all,

before anyone here shoots any sentences about DNA without knowing who they really are and what they do, let me inform you that the managing director of DNA has just joined this forum to promote and advertise their product, and hopefully to establish a sponsorship and distributor program with :660:

You will see a member called DNA and that is him, I am sure he will be happy to reply to any technical questions regarding air filters, which I ask you to be polite and respectful about it.

DNA will also be able to provide dyno charts to prove the improvement obtained with their filters so let's just wait and see.
Hi Guys greetings to all of you and thank CaptMoto for the introduction.
I am Dino the Managing director and Chief of the R&D department of DNA Filters Ltd, Greece.
The XT 600 is one of my favorite bikes and very popular in Greece, as you already know. So I have joined the forum to meet all of you that already are using DNA filters, thank you, and members that are considering using the DNA filters, and members that are using other brands.
Analyze in detail all the technical features of the DNA filter, answer all your questions and explain �why use DNA� and why not invite you all to visit our DNA factory in Greece.
So let�s start!
Dino Nikolaidis

DNA 24-03-09 17:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by banksy (Post 87018)
Just looked on DNA's web site and found the snorkle replacement.. They say there that it should only be fitted to bikes that have had their fueling tweeked to suit.. Guys here have modded their own snorkles and have reported an lmprovement..

Is this just DNA covering there own backs?

Would i notice any improvement fitting one to an otherwise stock bike?

Anyone got a price for this part?

Many thanks.......... :hidesbehindsofa[1]:
Hi Banksy,
Nice thoughts let me explain.
DNA has developed the Stage 2 air box cover TC-Y6E08-S2 for the XT 660 Z as a bolt on replacement cover, that in combination with the DNA filter R-Y6E08-01 will highly increase the air flow to the engine and at the same time provides maximum filtering.
The result in air flow is Massive! +56, 82% from stock. The stock intake (snorkel) flows 73,26 cfm @ 1,5 H2O, and the DNA Stage 2 intake 114,9 cfm�!
So if you are going to use the above combination and allow +56,82% of air to enter your air box, you MUST check fueling and re-program your fuel injection, it is common sense.
DNA as a serious and very professional company informs all customers that purchase the Stage 2 Air box Cover, including an instruction sheet with every cover.
As you can see we provide all the necessary info with our products, first of all to protect you the customer from damaging your engine and us the manufacturer against product liability.
And by the way, we do not recommend using the XT 660 Z DNA Stage 2 air box cover with other Manufacturers filters, it is brought to our attention that it will not seal properly allowing dirt to pass thru towards the clean side of the air box.
I hope the above answers you questions,
Looking forward to hear from you,
Dino

TimM 24-03-09 18:14
Wow, this is great, well done CaptMoto and welcome DNA, it's great to be able to get answers straight from the horses mouth. (I hope you understand that last bit DNA!)

DNA 24-03-09 18:25
Thanks TimM,

Dino

CaptMoto 24-03-09 19:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimM (Post 87076)
Wow, this is great, well done CaptMoto and welcome DNA, it's great to be able to get answers straight from the horses mouth. (I hope you understand that last bit DNA!)
Which is why I am proud to be able to brag about the fact that :660: is perhaps one of the most avant-guard forums out there, cause we not only talk the talk but we also walk the walk, and there's no bullsh|t here at all.

Cheers

:drillsergeant:

banksy 24-03-09 20:11
Many thanks for that DNA!! :clap: And Welcome.... :icon_biggrin:

josephau 24-03-09 20:21
Welcome DNA and big thanks to both you and Captain.

Hi DNA, as you mention that we have to check our fueling and injection, I have the following questions:

1) do you have any data or view on how the filter(s) affect fuel consumption, and,

2) do you already have some dyno companies that would provide the Tenere-specific program for Power Commander with or without DNA filters and with or without aftermarket exhausts?

Many thanks.

CaptMoto 24-03-09 21:32
Guys I am sorry but it is in my interest to correct you all henceforth...

Please only ask DNA questions related to their filters and please remember that DNA does not produce exhausts and they do not produce power commanders hence they cannot comment on programs / maps and similar, however they are able to give you their own results + comparisons to AF ratio with or without DNA filters made with their in-house dynometer machines.

Please readdress all your questions accordingly bearing in mind DNA Filters Ltd only produce filters.

Thanks

borus 24-03-09 21:52
Hello DNA,

I'm very impressed and happy to meet you on this board. In my business (IT), some manufacturers are hiding behind call centers, websites without contact information and so on. It is really nice to hear from the people that created my air filter (I am using the DNA filter on my Tenere).

And yes, I do have questions too.:002: I do understand that the Stage 2 filter does provide a better airflow. But will it be much better than manually removing a part of, or the complete snorkel from the factory airbox lid?

The DNA filter is covered with a sort of iron lattice-work. On my filter, a very small part is slightly deformed (to be crystal clear, not a factory error but my error). The cotton is not damaged. Will the filtering in that specific part be less then the other parts? Or in other words, is the iron lattice-work important for the filtering function?

Thanks, in advance.

Regards, Borus.

DNA 24-03-09 22:38
Quote:
Originally Posted by josephau (Post 87102)
Welcome DNA and big thanks to both you and Captain.

Hi DNA, as you mention that we have to check our fueling and injection, I have the following questions:

1) do you have any data or view on how the filter(s) affect fuel consumption, and,

2) do you already have some dyno companies that would provide the Tenere-specific program for Power Commander with or without DNA filters and with or without aftermarket exhausts?

Many thanks.
Hi Josephau,

First question:
The DNA filters will not worsen fuel consumption but only improve it, on a bike using stock mapping. There are a couple of reasons that a filter will increase fuel consumption a) very bad filter design b) low quality filtering media. Both reasons Not an issue for the DNA filters. As most of you already know our filters are very well designed and our cotton filtering material the best in the world. Additionally before releasing a filter we undertake a great deal of testing to be 100% sure that what we offer is what you get.
Of course we have seen bikes with custom mapping that was way of, in the part load, part throttle area. This is the area of the map that you are normally using every day and if it is wrong it will affect fuel consumption regardless the filter you are using.
Wide open throttle or at 100%, if before a modification your bike was producing 45 hp and know 52 or 55 hp� ok of course you will burn more fuel to produce the extra ponies. But do you ride wide open throttle all day long?
Second question:
We do have available Powercommander maps for the XT 660 R & X and shortly we will do some mapping for XT 660 Z.
The only issue holding us back is that for the next 30-40 days our R&D is loaded with projects (the race season is due to start) and we will need to source a bike from a customer in Greece, for a couple of days.
If there is a forum member that would like to offer his bike, he will get a DNA filter, a DNA Stage 2 Cover, and mapping for free. The Powercommander at a dealer cost if he doesn�t have one already.
Concerning exhausts, as CaptMoto explained, nothing we can do, we map the bike as it comes equipped.
And just for everyone to know at DNA we use a Dynojet 250 Eddy current dyno equipped with a Dynojet tuning link.

I hope the above answers your questions.

Dino

DNA 24-03-09 23:10
Quote:
Originally Posted by borus (Post 87122)
Hello DNA,

I'm very impressed and happy to meet you on this board. In my business (IT), some manufacturers are hiding behind call centers, websites without contact information and so on. It is really nice to hear from the people that created my air filter (I am using the DNA filter on my Tenere).

And yes, I do have questions too.:002: I do understand that the Stage 2 filter does provide a better airflow. But will it be much better than manually removing a part of, or the complete snorkel from the factory airbox lid?

The DNA filter is covered with a sort of iron lattice-work. On my filter, a very small part is slightly deformed (to be crystal clear, not a factory error but my error). The cotton is not damaged. Will the filtering in that specific part be less then the other parts? Or in other words, is the iron lattice-work important for the filtering function?

Thanks, in advance.

Regards, Borus.
Hi Borus,
Thank you for your kind comments,
We at DNA have no reasons to hide, you can always reach us on the phone or by e-mail.
Concerning me personally, you will not find me at the Head office, or at the Directors meeting room, or at my very elegant office at the factory��..you will find me at the R&D Department or the Dynoroom!
a) Now, if you would decide to cut the rubber intake snorkel of the XT 660 Z it will be necessary to retain the lower part because it seals against the air filter. The result is not very nice and you can�t have a build in venture, as the DNA has. The air flow will be much lower than the DNA intake because of the turbulent flow; this is the reason why customers that custom cut the snorkel can get away without fuel injection mapping, because the final air flow is not so high.
b) From your description you managed to squeeze and deform the aluminum wire mesh that keeps the 4 cotton layers in place. Normally the filtering efficiency and performance of the DNA isn�t affected under such a condition, but if you could e-mail me a photo I would be glad to double check it and reply to you.
Thanks for choosing DNA
Dino

DNA 24-03-09 23:27
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 87120)
Guys I am sorry but it is in my interest to correct you all henceforth...

Please only ask DNA questions related to their filters and please remember that DNA does not produce exhausts and they do not produce power commanders hence they cannot comment on programs / maps and similar, however they are able to give you their own results + comparisons to AF ratio with or without DNA filters made with their in-house dynometer machines.

Please readdress all your questions accordingly bearing in mind DNA Filters Ltd only produce filters.

Thanks
Hi CaptMoto,

Please don't worry, it is a pleasure for me to answer questions that are not only air filter related.

My compliments again for the superb forum :WellDone_OROQR1:.

Regards,

Dino

davontour 26-03-09 18:17
basic questions
 
Hi DNA.
I hope you dont mind some pretty basic questions.
Firstly are DNA filters ones you clean and oil like K&N?
Secondly you reccomend a fueling check, how do I do this, Dyno?
thanks again and I am very interested to purchase the kit for my New Tenere.

DNA 26-03-09 21:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by davontour (Post 87414)
Hi DNA.
I hope you dont mind some pretty basic questions.
Firstly are DNA filters ones you clean and oil like K&N?
Secondly you reccomend a fueling check, how do I do this, Dyno?
thanks again and I am very interested to purchase the kit for my New Tenere.
Hi Davontour,

The DNA filter is based on the same principle,

�the multi layer cotton air filter that is impregnated in oil�

But then we take this basic idea and add���.

� The specially designed DNA Nafta cotton filtering media
� Over 98% filtering efficiency
� High quality epoxy coated marine grade aluminum mesh
� Large radius pleats
� Variable pitch filtering media
� DNA�s Advanced full contour design
� Our unique and specially formulated DNA filter oil that will not absorb humidity
� High quality Elastomer Thixotropic Polyurethane
� Built in the filter Venturi design
� High quality EVA foam seals factory glued
� Reverse Engineering using Faro & Microscribe 3D Arms
� CAD (computer aided design)
� CAM (computer aided manufacturing)
� CNC machining � In House tooling manufacturing
� CAAFT (computer aided air flow testing)
� Industrial automation & Robotics production systems
� Dyno testing
� Tuning know how
� The Life time warranty

Add a couple more top secret features that DNA�s Engineers have developed���..
���.and you will end up with the DNA filter.

Sorry if I have confused you, I need to start a topic and analyze all the above.

Also visit the following link that a DNA user has posted, you will be impressed!
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440368&highlight=FILTERS

Concerning fueling, you have 2 options:

A) Check it on the dyno.
B) Check it on the road using a Wide Band lamda, Dynojet or any other brand.

I hope the above helped you.

Best regards

Dino

CaptMoto 26-03-09 22:07
Yes Dino I will move all the relevant post to the XTX stage 3 in a dedicated post and I will then show the link here.

CaptMoto 26-03-09 22:14
Please continue the XTX / XTR Stage 3 project discussion on this link, thanks

http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=9703

CaptMoto 15-04-09 01:00
Photo differences between standard Yamaha XT660Z filter and the DNA one

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...0/DNAvsOEM.jpg

Original snorkel

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r.../snorkelon.jpg

DNA Stage 2 filter

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...660/stage2.jpg

Peatbog 15-04-09 02:27
i see no pics?


EDIT - -capt fixed it


Very nice :)

CaptMoto 15-04-09 03:21
Strange...

Can anyone else not see these pics? Am I the only one that can see them?

Kev 15-04-09 03:44
No see pictures amego.

CaptMoto 15-04-09 04:29
Ok, I think I've fixed it,

JMo, you normally see things, right? :101: please tell me... can you see the 3 pics in my post above? :004:

JMo 15-04-09 04:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 89935)
Ok, I think I've fixed it,

JMo, you normally see things, right? :101: please tell me... can you see the 3 pics in my post above? :004:
Oh yes, loud and clear Captn' - huge great pictures!

I'm very interested in this set up (particularly after my recent dirty box issue) Dino - I presume it is possible for a dealer to hook up the workshop computer and adjust the stock Yamaha ECU to correct the fueling mixture, or does it have to be in conjunction with a power-commander?

I have some (serious) plans for when I get back to the UK, and this will include a custom exhaust system too. I'll be in touch...

xxx

Big Den 24-04-09 18:12
so has anyone fitted one yet or am i test pilot :icon_scratch:

uncle ricky 07-09-09 20:17
Quote:
Originally Posted by DNA (Post 87455)
Hi Davontour,

The DNA filter is based on the same principle,

�the multi layer cotton air filter that is impregnated in oil�

But then we take this basic idea and add���.

� The specially designed DNA Nafta cotton filtering media
� Over 98% filtering efficiency
� High quality epoxy coated marine grade aluminum mesh
� Large radius pleats
� Variable pitch filtering media
� DNA�s Advanced full contour design
� Our unique and specially formulated DNA filter oil that will not absorb humidity
� High quality Elastomer Thixotropic Polyurethane
� Built in the filter Venturi design
� High quality EVA foam seals factory glued
� Reverse Engineering using Faro & Microscribe 3D Arms
� CAD (computer aided design)
� CAM (computer aided manufacturing)
� CNC machining � In House tooling manufacturing
� CAAFT (computer aided air flow testing)
� Industrial automation & Robotics production systems
� Dyno testing
� Tuning know how
� The Life time warranty

Add a couple more top secret features that DNA�s Engineers have developed���..
���.and you will end up with the DNA filter.

Sorry if I have confused you, I need to start a topic and analyze all the above.

Also visit the following link that a DNA user has posted, you will be impressed!
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440368&highlight=FILTERS

Concerning fueling, you have 2 options:

A) Check it on the dyno.
B) Check it on the road using a Wide Band lamda, Dynojet or any other brand.

I hope the above helped you.

Best regards

Dino
Hi Dino, could you tell me when the stage 3 is coming out for the Tenere and also do we get a forum discount? :grouphug5:, I was going to fit the stage 2 BUT I would like to know what the difference will be between them and the extra cost involved if any

tetley 12-02-10 21:53
Quote:
Originally Posted by DNA (Post 87075)
Hi Banksy,
Nice thoughts let me explain.
DNA has developed the Stage 2 air box cover TC-Y6E08-S2 for the XT 660 Z as a bolt on replacement cover, that in combination with the DNA filter R-Y6E08-01 will highly increase the air flow to the engine and at the same time provides maximum filtering.
The result in air flow is Massive! +56, 82% from stock. The stock intake (snorkel) flows 73,26 cfm @ 1,5 H2O, and the DNA Stage 2 intake 114,9 cfm�!
So if you are going to use the above combination and allow +56,82% of air to enter your air box, you MUST check fueling and re-program your fuel injection, it is common sense.
DNA as a serious and very professional company informs all customers that purchase the Stage 2 Air box Cover, including an instruction sheet with every cover.
As you can see we provide all the necessary info with our products, first of all to protect you the customer from damaging your engine and us the manufacturer against product liability.
And by the way, we do not recommend using the XT 660 Z DNA Stage 2 air box cover with other Manufacturers filters, it is brought to our attention that it will not seal properly allowing dirt to pass thru towards the clean side of the air box.
I hope the above answers you questions,
Looking forward to hear from you,
Dino
Hi Dino,

I have an XTZ with Apropovik exhausts. I have just bought the DNA air box cover and realised that I need some kind of fuel mod prior to fitting it. As this is the case I thought I might as well go to the full stage 3 mod (air filter and snorkel replacement). To get the best out of this mod am I right in thinking that I will need a power commander? Also is there a fuel map available for this configuration?

Regards

Colin

DNA 13-02-10 22:11
DNA XTZ STAGE (2)3 complete air box MOD
 
Hi Colin,
Thank you for choosing DNA.
We can provide maps for all the configurations, just let me know; also you can use the map Freeze made when tested the XTZ S3.
The XTZ S3 configuration completely transforms the XTZ, you will love it!
Keep me updated,
Best regards,
Dino

slugg 05-05-10 21:57
dna
 
thanks to DNA for their superb service and quality products. It makes me wish I lived in Greece.

Ordered 2 filters, intake restrictor and "service pack", all questions answered, nice packed and good shipping from Greece to Norway. Tracking all the way with UPS :)

with the intake restrictor I can set everything(almost) back to stock Air/fuel mixture.

The filters and filter parts seems to be in very good quality ! The bike runs flawless with the filters and little more fuel.

Keep it up DNA !

mudmatt 13-06-10 18:25
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 86757)
YAMAHA - XT 660Z Tenere 08�-09'
Filters Data - Model code: R-Y6E08-01
http://www.dnafilters.com/photos/R-Y6E08-01.jpg


XT 660Z TENERE AIR BOX COVER STAGE2 (S2) 08'-09'
Filters Data - Model code: TC-Y6E08-S2
http://www.dnafilters.com/photos/TC-Y6E08-S2STD.jpg

While I am on the subject, it is understood that at the moment there are no official distributors / resellers for DNA Filters in UK, and I was contacted by DNA Filters Ltd this morning with their intention to strike a sponsorship deal with us and hopefully establishing also a distribution deal directly through :660:

so... watch this space ;)
Is this kit available to buy on the forum shop or do i have to source it eleswhere?
Pick up my Tenere on Thursday and would like this as well as the Kevmod

Can someone point me in the right direction please

A7 UFO 13-06-10 20:29
Send captmoto a pm and he'll sort you out

mudmatt 13-06-10 22:15
cheers

midlife crisis 14-09-10 17:26
OK, firstly let me start by saying how great it is to see Dino on board � well done that man!

Previously, on my XTX I had the two DNA filters with CC exhaust and a Kev Mod � it made a massive difference. With that in mind, now I have the Ten I'll be looking at dabbling down the same road but probably in stages so that SWMBO doesn't kill me for buy the bike more treats than her :slywink:

As a starter, could I simply replace the standard filter, leaving the snorkle, without the need for a Kev Mod? At what point would I need to start thinking about the fueling (when both filters are in AND the snorkle swapped out for example or is it only when I dick about with cans?).

Any advice greatly appreciated.

CaptMoto 14-09-10 17:59
As Dino recommends, from stage 2 onward you need a fuelling correction device, be it the Kev Mod the PCIV or the mojo hand under the seat. :106:

midlife crisis 14-09-10 18:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 138780)
As Dino recommends, from stage 2 onward you need a fuelling correction device, be it the Kev Mod the PCIV or the mojo hand under the seat. :106:
Sorry Fran, I'm being my usual thick self here again. Stage 2 (looking at the pictures it looks like stage 2 is with the snorkle removed) is the one that goes IN the air box and stage 3 is the one that goes on the cover right? Is there a stage 1??? :confused3:

I know... DERRRRRRRRRR :017:

CaptMoto 14-09-10 18:42
Thick? nah :smilies0119: It's compliacted actually....

Steve Dino read this post and sent me a pdf file that he says explains better how these fiters works / interacts, please note the pdf below is on 3 pages, showing performance and DynoJet charts

DNA XT660Z Tenere Filters explained

midlife crisis 15-09-10 14:54
You guys are the best!

Thanks for that Fran and Dino, that's totally crystal :yahoo:

JJ_pt 14-05-13 17:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 138783)
Thick? nah :smilies0119: It's compliacted actually....

Steve Dino read this post and sent me a pdf file that he says explains better how these fiters works / interacts, please note the pdf below is on 3 pages, showing performance and DynoJet charts

DNA XT660Z Tenere Filters explained
This PDF is exactly what I needed. Thank you! :023:


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