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XTC 18-10-06 10:16

RECALL throttle sensor
 
From MCN web:

"The second Safety Recall concerns the Throttle Position Sensor fitted to certain YZF-R1, FZ6N/S, FJR1300/A, TDM900/A, MT-01, XV1700PC & XT660R/X manufactured between 2002 and 2006. In a small number of cases, the idle speed may become intermittently unstable, causing the engine to stall.
In the same way as the XV1600 Safety Recall, owners of the affected machines, held on our database, will receive a letter very soon advising them of the steps to take to have their machines rectified. They can continue to use their motorcycles in the meantime.
On behalf of the Yamaha Factory and Yamaha Motor UK, we would like to apologise to all affected customers for this inconvenience and assure them of our best attention to rectify the problems at the earliest possible time."

CaptMoto 18-10-06 11:02

Thank you very much XTC for this important new, and we are glad that Yamaha has made an official recall on these tps's, would you happen have the mcn link to this notice that you mentioned?

Many thanks

Buck 18-10-06 12:29

Im not sure if you can read this ok ,but this is what they are saying in MCN about it .
Fran it maybe a good idea for you to contact Yamaha direct to get an official to comfirm this recall.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...low/recall.jpg

AJT690KTM 18-10-06 15:34

Just spoken to my local dealer regarding TPS. Only a limited recall on a range of frame no.s. Apparently the o-ring between the butterfly and the tps breaks up and stops the sensor working. Yamaha are going to contact affected owners, wait for the letter!!!

FostersMonster 18-10-06 15:42

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.articles.articleCategory.a rticle&resourceId=5803394&articleCategory=NEWS_NEW-BIKES

CaptMoto 18-10-06 17:49

Thanks a lot for the link FostersMonster

vmax30 18-10-06 21:02

I reckon my bikes one of them, it only happens maybe once a fortnight but will I beable to get it sorted in France as the bike is UK registered?
How do they know my uk address if im the second owner?

Buck 18-10-06 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmax30
I reckon my bikes one of them, it only happens maybe once a fortnight but will I beable to get it sorted in France as the bike is UK registered?
How do they know my uk address if im the second owner?

If you havent sent the change of owner slip that is in the warrenty booklet back you will have to contact Yamaha uk in person to see if this recall does affect you.

CaptMoto 18-10-06 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmax30
I reckon my bikes one of them, it only happens maybe once a fortnight but will I beable to get it sorted in France as the bike is UK registered?
How do they know my uk address if im the second owner?

Similarly to what Mick said your bike was sold under the guarantee of Yamaha UK and this recall was issued by them, for all you know Yamaha France either won't honour this recall or have one of their own for the bikes sold locally.

Johan (SWE) 19-10-06 05:11

Gents,

Correct me if I am wrong, but our motorcycles are issued with a Yamaha Europe Service Card. The warranty is valid in all EU nation-states, and beyond in line with the general warranty conditions.

Example: I experienced a complete rear shock absorber failure in Norway this last summer with my Dutch registered motorcycle that was bought in the Netherlands. However, Yamaha Norway honored my warranty by replacing the shock absorber under warranty.

Therefore, I suspect that this is question of an internal processes. Since most of the parts for the European market come from Yamaha Europe located in Schipol-Rijk in the Netherlands, I suspect that warranty parts and warranty labor is invoiced internally within the European Yamaha organization.

Regards,

J

CaptMoto 19-10-06 08:54

You might well be right however the recall was issued, it appears, directly from Yamaha UK, and I know of someone who bought an XTR in UK as an import from the Netherlands and their ECU was refused replacement in UK.

Johan (SWE) 19-10-06 17:47

CaptMoto,

That is awful, and in violation of the warranty that is given for the EU region. I would put my attourney on it.......

I just consulted my Dutch Yamaha Euro Service Handbook. On page 7, under paragraph 'Travel abroad', under point 1 I translate the following:

'Always bring your Yamaha Euro Service Card with you when travelling. In the event that you experience technical problems with your Yamaha product, you can have the defect part replaced without cost at an official Yamaha dealer in Europe, if the conditions mentioned in the warranty handbook have been fulfilled'.

With other words, if you have serviced the motorcycle with an official dealer, and followed the general conditions of the warranty, any defect that is subject to replacement under warranty MUST be replaced free of charge within the EU region. This includes the ECU to mention one thing.....

I therefore suggest three things:

1) Speak to the dealer in question. Attend him/her about the conditions of the warranty, bring the books with you, and let them read the smallprint!
If these conditions are not adhered to, Yamaha France and UK will be contacted.

2) Submit a formal complaint with BOTH Yamaha France and Britain, explaining the nature of the problem, the fact that dealer X has refused to assist, and a request for a new ECU under warranty.

3) If nothing helps, put an attourney on the case. I am sure that some legal help can illuminate the responsible persons that warranty conditions cannot be changed onesidedly and without mutual conscent.

PS. I have replaced the following under warranty:

1 X right rear turn signal
1 X complete handle bar assembly left (low, high beam, horn)
1 X ECU
1 X Rear shock absorber
1 x saddle

Regards,

Johan

vmax30 19-10-06 19:35

First things first, I dont think Yamaha are going to send me the letter, cos I didnt fill in the form in the warranty book. So who shall I call? Yamaha UK? If so do you have their no pls Fran?

If my bike is on the list I shall speak to them and explain the situ, then try to get it sorted at the local Yamaha dealers here.......

Maybe someone can get hold of the details of the affected machines somehow, I dont see why they cant divulge that info?

CaptMoto 19-10-06 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmax30
First things first, I dont think Yamaha are going to send me the letter, cos I didnt fill in the form in the warranty book. So who shall I call? Yamaha UK? If so do you have their no pls Fran?

If my bike is on the list I shall speak to them and explain the situ, then try to get it sorted at the local Yamaha dealers here.......

Maybe someone can get hold of the details of the affected machines somehow, I dont see why they cant divulge that info?

I'll get the number and pm it to you. what is your name? frame number?

vmax30 19-10-06 20:36

Thanks for that Capt, have PMed the details to you
Steve

CaptMoto 19-10-06 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johan (SWE)
CaptMoto,

That is awful, and in violation of the warranty that is given for the EU region. I would put my attourney on it.......

I just consulted my Dutch Yamaha Euro Service Handbook. On page 7, under paragraph 'Travel abroad', under point 1 I translate the following:

'Always bring your Yamaha Euro Service Card with you when travelling. In the event that you experience technical problems with your Yamaha product, you can have the defect part replaced without cost at an official Yamaha dealer in Europe, if the conditions mentioned in the warranty handbook have been fulfilled'.

With other words, if you have serviced the motorcycle with an official dealer, and followed the general conditions of the warranty, any defect that is subject to replacement under warranty MUST be replaced free of charge within the EU region. This includes the ECU to mention one thing.....

I therefore suggest three things:

1) Speak to the dealer in question. Attend him/her about the conditions of the warranty, bring the books with you, and let them read the smallprint!
If these conditions are not adhered to, Yamaha France and UK will be contacted.

2) Submit a formal complaint with BOTH Yamaha France and Britain, explaining the nature of the problem, the fact that dealer X has refused to assist, and a request for a new ECU under warranty.

3) If nothing helps, put an attourney on the case. I am sure that some legal help can illuminate the responsible persons that warranty conditions cannot be changed onesidedly and without mutual conscent.

PS. I have replaced the following under warranty:

1 X right rear turn signal
1 X complete handle bar assembly left (low, high beam, horn)
1 X ECU
1 X Rear shock absorber
1 x saddle

Regards,

Johan

Yeah I agree but don't forget you are talking about emergency european service such as if you break a part while travelling abroad, don't confuse that with a recall that is done in response from an order of a particular country motoring association, in our case all recalls are ordered by the DVLA Driver & Vehicles Licencing Association. I know this only because I wrote to Yamaha head office last year to complain why they never did a recall on the ECU's and they told me because the DVLA did not consider a faulty ecu to be life threatening.

vmax30 19-10-06 20:47

And a dodgy tickover is?

CaptMoto 19-10-06 21:22

well you go tell them!! :cry[1]:

Johan (SWE) 23-10-06 05:41

@CaptMoto,

Bluntly speaking, I really don't think it matters. Let me explain by using two fictive examples:

If I am in the United Kingdom on a holiday with my Dutch XT, and something breaks due to material failure, then I am entitled to gain assistance and have the part replaced under warranty via the Yamaha Euro Service program.

If I am living in the United Kingdom temporarily as an expat, assigned by my Dutch employer to a six month project, commute to work with my Dutch XT, and something breaks due to material failure, than I will not be entitled to gain assistance and have the part replaced under warranty via the Yamaha Euro Service program.

It just does not make sense. The EU region should offer the exact same warranty conditions of the entire geographical area involving the member states. From a legal perspective, I personally believe that the conditions should be applied this way.

However, I know that there are other factors involved in situations like this. British dealers would of course help a travelling tourist without a doubt, but the situation could turn out differently if you are living for a longer period of time in a country with a foreign bike, or if you have imported it. The compensation for the labour spent on replacing parts under warranty is not royal to say the least. This does not motivate a dealer to be willing to replace ECU's or stuff like that, since other customers are waiting to have other maintenance activities conducted or having aftermarket parts mounted for a greater profit margin on the hours spent on their bikes.

Since I subscribe to the idea that the origin of the bike should not matter, nor the place where the warranty repairs are made, I would like to say that in a better world this would be a logical right of the owner and not an exception in individual cases. I have replaced my rear shock absorber under warranty in Norway, my saddle was replaced under warranty in Sweden, although my motorcycle has Dutch license plates.

:headbang:

Johan

CaptMoto 02-11-06 09:02

TPS Recall in the rest of the world??
 
We are all aware that at least in the UK, Yamaha has issued a nationwide recall on the TPS for the XT's and other bikes in the Yamaha range, but so far I have not heard of this recall in other parts of Europe or indeed the rest of the world.

Can any of you people from places other than UK, confirm if such recall has also been issued in your individual countries?

Thanks

Buck 02-11-06 13:05

America have also had a recall .

supermototony 02-11-06 20:00

got my recall letter will phone dealer tomorrow

CaptMoto 02-11-06 20:27

We know the recall has been enforced nationwide in the UK, thanks.

PJS 03-11-06 07:18

Haven`t heard nothing from my dealer in Norway about the TPS recall....

Will send my dealer a mail to check it up

CaptMoto 03-11-06 09:02

Thank you PJS, that will be really helpful

Johan (SWE) 04-11-06 02:28

My Dutch dealer has confirmed the recall in accordance with the information posted on the internet. Grabbed an article from the German magazine Der Spiegel with frame numbers and everything, which was cross referenced with Yamaha Technical Services in the Netherlands.

Recall is in effect in the Netherlands as well thus.....

muzza 04-11-06 11:54

Yamaha Australia has recalled many models for the throttle position sensor but the xt660 is not on the list yet.
http://www.recalls.gov.au/view_recal..._ID_Auto=14433

Hrob 04-11-06 16:10

Austria is different
 
It seems that in Austria nobody knows anything about a Recall :102:


No Dealer had ever heard from a problem with Throttle -sensor :018:

lewiss66 14-12-06 22:10

Not sure where to post it but I 've been looking around for a while through this threads and can't find out what should be the new setting of the last replaced TPS. What is the correct position along with a snorkel out and a K&N filter?
Thanks

xtfreak 15-12-06 00:10

hi folks, phoned the previos owner for the letter, no joy.
got onto yammy uk and they sent the recall letter to me which i took to my yammy dealer, they are going to ring me when the tps part comes in. hope it dont take to long. im hoping me xtx runs abit smoother when its replaced.
Do you no, when they replace the tps, will they tune her or is it job done.
thanks for any replys.

CaptMoto 15-12-06 00:24

it takes the mechanic 10 minutes to do it, unscrew the old one and refit the new one, most of them prefer not to alter your idle speed settings in case you have a power commander that is linked to a predesigned map and they don't want to mess that up. but its an easy enough job for them to do it so, don't worry they shouldn't alter any of your settings.

rossifumi 15-12-06 12:38

Still waiting for mine...went into dealer 18 Nov and was told there is a bit of a backlog...end of December hopefully.

Hi xtfreak.....me in Essex too...sunny Brentwood :icon_sunny:

richard 10-03-07 20:28

went into yamaha dealar today they knew about the tps and i should be getting a letter soon
sweden

john11 23-03-07 10:13

I recieved my recall letter today. I am the second owner of my XTX and they tracked me down via my RTA ( roads and traffic authority ) records. I'll put it in for the TPS recall in the next 2 weeks and post my findings

john.
PS , although mine has the kev mod , i'll ask them to just change the TPS and i'll do the rest

Johan (SWE) 19-04-07 04:16

I recieved a letter as well from Yamaha Netherlands. They tracked me down as a registered owner. Will contact my dealer to have the part replaced.

Regards,

Johan

rtlkyuubi 03-04-09 00:42

Ok, I might be dragging this thread up but Ive just seen it :P

My bike is a 54 and I dont know if it has been effected by this or its been already done. Is there a way I can find out? And if its not been done would it still be covered and be done FOC?

Kev 17-01-11 08:51

The faulty TPS range.

Any TPS below 46 is now in the faulty range, A1 or A2 versions included.

2009 > XT's now come with a different TPS again & it looks completely different to the one shown below.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...tyTPSRange.jpg

CaptMoto 17-01-11 09:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtlkyuubi (Post 88476)
Ok, I might be dragging this thread up but Ive just seen it :P

My bike is a 54 and I dont know if it has been effected by this or its been already done. Is there a way I can find out? And if its not been done would it still be covered and be done FOC?

If your bike is from the latter part of 2004 i.e. 54 Reg then it would be from the same year as my (RIP) bike used to be and at the time round about early 2005 I received the official recall letter for the tps, so best thing to do is to go to a Yamaha dealer and see if the previous owner did have it changed, because they keep a record in their database otherwise you can ask to have it done free of charge.

tedmagnum 08-05-18 20:34

Yamaha have a recall checker.

https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/servi...ker/index.aspx

steveD 09-05-18 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedmagnum (Post 234918)


Bloooomin heck Ted, you turn up everywhere!

PS Welcome to the forum

Steve:wave:


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