Hiya Maxwell, I read a bit more and I think that the Outback ones will not be available before Spring of next year.....so lets stick to the standard Trekker. You need to consider the frames of course but the frames are not expensive, around 100 Euro over here. I can get you two boxes, 46L, Trekker, for 400 Euro which is about 320 UK Pounds. BUT then we need to get them to Scotland and the transport cost would be about 100 Euro as the volumetric weight is quite high. So unfortunately the total cost is then very similar!!!! Sorry mate it seems that I cannot help much, Simon.

Well Maxwell I spoke to my local Givi dealer today and his prices to me are as follows:
(Note that they also make a 52L version but it can be fitted only as a topbox, and the Trekker Outback will only be available next spring, dont forget you need the frame and here it costs about 100 Euro)
2 Trekker cases 46L 400 Euro.
BUT the transport would cost me about 100 Euro to get them to you so unfortunately the total cost becomes about the same as your 430 quids. Sorry!!!!! Simon

Sounds like you need to ride to Italy yourself Max.

Have you looked at ARD Cases?

UBS yea seems at those prices I'd need to travel to Italy

simonroma thanks for looking at the prices. does seem that you get them cheaper bu the postage is the killer.

enduro just looking at there website now

Try G+G also

http://www.aluminium-panniers.co.uk/...0Box%20premium

Saw them at the NEC. Look really good are only 340 euro or �275 a pair. They are hard anodised which IMHO is a real plus point, as all the cheaper cases are either plain aluminium or powder coated. The guys who make them said they're developing a flat bottom lightweight version of the Premium case in 1.5mm (rather than 2mm) metal, which they reckon will be the lightest aluminium box on the market?

G and G sounds good and the price is also very interesting. I would think that any dealer is prepared to "haggle" today given the crisis so ask the Givi dealer for a better price???? Good luck!!!

I'm leaning more and more to the g n g panniers. still thinking of making my own pannier frames as I like the idea of making my own things for the bike and is always a good conversion starter of "those are home made panniers frames yes??"

i have them. there good for the money and the company is excellent. nice looking panniers too :)

they came with a GIVI rack though,which i dont like. its seems a little weak in places, fits well though.

I would like to change it but doesnt that mean a new rack would have to have the exact same carrier size (the bit rectangle bit) or else the fixing gear on the pannier wont fit? (this is the first set of hard luggage ive owned) :smilies0943:

The hoop on the rack would have to be the same size for a good fit, or you'd probably have to re-drill and move the pucks to suit. Another small point is the Givi rack is 15mm diameter tube, most others are 18 (TT, Holan etc) or even 20mm (OTR). The standard G+G mounting kit is for 15mm racks. You'd either have to get G+G's (or another's) kit for bigger diameter tubes. Or (cheaper) make some 3mm thick spacers to go between the pucks and the case wall to gain the extra space needed for an 18mm rack.