LOL.

I've already told my dealer I want a test ride, and I plan on doing exactly that 2up.

Toooooo much!
 

I was actually told it will be �13,620 on the road from my dealer...! What a joke, never mind "First Edition", at that price it may as well be "Last Edition" because they won't be selling many! :smilies0947:

I have a Idea for Yamaha Makers
 

Put a 1000cc engine (preferably V-Twin) in to 660Tenere frame.

Just remember keep the weight down..............

I am sure there will be a lot fans lowing the bike.

(Set of supermoto wheels for twisty corners)

:bigwink:
:nana:

:yahoo:

The competition:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4514/blingst.jpg

The S10: Another treat for the pack-mule commuters.


http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6...enture1054.jpg

BMW R 1200 GS Adventure. No jammed immobilizers or cracked frames can get this one off the throne thanks to some actor.


http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5...viontx4454.jpg

Moto Guzzi Stelvio 1200 4V NTX. The pretty one.


http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8...araderosv4.jpg

Honda XL1000 Varadero. A honest bike who doesn't pretend to be some desert rally bike.


http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2...stromsv483.jpg

Suzuki DL1000 V-strom. Just as the Varadero the strom skips all the poser gadgets but do just as well on the long hauls.




There's also another bike, but in a category of its own... :

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6999/ktm990jump.jpg

Going on looks alone the Yamaha does look very very nice. The MG Stelvio is superb looking BUT if they are still as they where in the days I was biking you can keep them in the show room thank you very much! They WHERE just cr*p.

I still can't see any of the above bikes competing with the Tenere in its market segment as a true bike 4X4? KTM excepted.

All a learning curve for me.

As one member wrote who will risk taking a bike that price off road? I thought the Tenere was expensive 'till I saw some of these? Lol

Ryland

Changing the subject slightly:- I dont ever remember a 1200cc twin that has been in line,:ninja: usually they are a Vee of some sort or horizontal opposed like the bmw.
I still think along with quite a few others that they should of used the TDM900 unit and kept it less complex along with the price.:bricks:

True, but then people would have whined that it 'only' had 90bhp...

I really don't know why people (over on ADVrider mainly) are complaining - this was only ever going to be an uber-tourer - any 1200cc 'dirt' bike is - noone who is serious about going off-road is going to choose a bike like this?

J xx

Some pictures of a real bike here on ADVrider:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...45850&page=100

xxx

Just wondering: What's the price for the GSA over there in the UK?

�10,750 (list for a 1200GS-A) give or take, that's stock on the road. By the time you've added the extras to take it to the same spec as the Super Ten, you are looking at around �12,750.


And, it's 10Kg lighter!

and, as it's a boxer, so the COG (certainly in the motor) is going to be lower than the SuperTen too....


The pics on ADVThingy are much better than the Yamaha ones, they need to sack off their art department, remember the 660 Ten picture when they came out, they were crap too.

With that price tag on the S10, I fail to see how it's going to take a big chunk out of the GSA market.

Put a realistic price tag of around �8500 then the average person might start showing interest.
But considering the new xt660z now retails at over �6000 we aint got no hope.
Like most companys nowadays...the Japs seem to be pushing the self destruct button.
Its a funny old world.

Price wise they are going to struggle and its difficult to see the 2nd hand values remaining as stiff as bmu's (though probably only if buying from offical stealers) ..
I reckon there may be some 2nd year bargins, though if its too stiff to buy new, the market may be starved of supply especially if its supply to order only with no stock is on dealer floors. Shame yamaha are having to push prices up to recover losses, it may back fire on them especially as it making BMU look affordable :Knitting_22PFUP:

The 660z is sold for the equivalent of �7300 here in Sweden so don't complain. =)

The Japanese bikes are expensive, but that's not because of greed it's because of the market and yen etc.

I agree - the price is considerably higher than anyone expected - personally I think this bike should have been �10,995 plus say �1000 extra for the luggage, but Yamaha have put their prices up 15-20% across the board this year...

However, you may find there are only limited numbers available initially anyway? (like the XTZ in 2008 - only 150 allocated to the UK!)

I can just see the road test reports now - when you can get a stock Ducati Multistrada for �11,000 (150bhp!) and a GSA for similar money (never mind the odd-ball MotoGuzzi's etc) this bike does look really expensive...

Hey ho.

J xx

And heavy to - 575lbs. - thats 41 stone (UK) - the weight of 2 fat blokes!!!

XT660Z is doing all I need it to*. That's like twice the price!!!







*(except the dodgy indicator switch)

I think the prohibitive costs of Jap bikes these days will bring about a total shift in sales over the next 2-3 years. The european manufacturers must be doing cartwheels with glee at Yamaha's pricing policy, as they have effectively priced it and all the other models in the range out of the competition.
The big Yam is a big dissapointment in my humble opinion- just another overweight, cluttered up land crab with no really outstanding or indeed useful improvements. A bit of a biking equivalent of the Chelsea Tractors that clutter up our city centres I'm afraid.

Triumph have a 1600cc parallel twin engine in the new Thunderbird

Oh I forgot about that one! :103: :icon_colors:

OK...it appears that I'm gonna get some flack for this but I am seriously thinking of buying one.
I even have SWAMBOs royal ascent to do so.

I've said it before and I will say it again.

I want a big dual purpose bike with 2 proper seats and 3 tuning forks on the tank. It may be a gamble (due the lack of history) but it is one I am seriously considering taking.

I love my Z (that I also bought without a history when they first came out) and I hate my GSA. Nothing actually wrong with the GSA, I'ts just that I do not trust it....and the funny indicators that BMW have now started changing....and the horrible cost of parts.....and the "break the bike in two" thing to change the clutch....and that BMW riders do not wave to me when I'm on my Tenere - Why is that ??? - I wave to everyone regardless of what I am riding.

The 660Z is just not big enough (or comfortable enough) for 2 up long distance and there are a lot of people on here comparing the 660Z with the 1200Z....why....they are clearly not in the same use/market bracket.

Furthermore, what is wrong with making a bike to compete with one of the best sellers in the world. I just cannot understand why people have a problem with this.

Maybe I'm just too old...

BTW....Capt Moto....can I stay here if I get one as the Z and the GSA are going to have to go ????

In Yamaha's defence, bike prices have been fairly stagnant for the last four or five years and they are the 1st of the Japanese factories to bring their prices in line with the types of rises we have seen in the car industry for years.

It's only a matter of time till the other Japanese factories follow suit. KTM hiked their prices last year and, I believe, did so again this year.

I'm actually warming to the look of the bike but the weight does put me off a bit (having the 660 drop on my foot 206kg was heavy enough). However, as Jenny stated, you can have a Multistrada for less or nearly the same money if you go for the S with the electronically adjustable suspension, panniers, and heated grips.

Al.

The Tenere is definately not a 2 person bike and I understand your thoughts exactly. I only ever ride solo so its perfect for me. For Touring and long rides etc the new Tenere is going to be a awesome bike and the engine superb. I was expecting a big version of 660 but we didnt get it and in reality I wouldnt be taking the 1200 off road anyway.

I buy a bike I want and enjoy which is what its all about isnt it? If you like it go for it (in blue of course)

I will be taking it on dirt roads and tracks (RTW type stuff) but not serious dirt as that is clearly not what it is for. SWAMBO will be on the back so I cannot do too serious stuff anyway.

Like you say its for enjoyment and its strokes for folks. I am a bit confused about the nay sayers making direct comparisond to the little 660Z.

As for the blue, I want a white one but that is not going to happen and the silver just looks drab. Blue it is then.

Just got to get rid of the GSA.

I don't think it's a silly idea at all Ray - it sounds like exactly the sort of bike you've been looking for!

As you say, a 'bigger' version of the 660Z was never going to be enough of an 'improvement' over the small Tenere (which is more dirt focussed) - whereas this 1200cc bike competes directly in the 'other' Adventure market segment - right where all the other manufacturers have invested...

I'm sure it will be an excellent alternative to the GS and the other Uber-trailies...

I think some people were hoping for a KTM 990 competitor, but to be honest, that bike is so specialist noone else is going to bother building something similar... so if that's the sort of bike they want, why don't they just buy the KTM?!

I think you've made the right choice for your intended use... I just worry you won't have a lot of change left over once you've sold the other two...

J xx

I think thats spot on.

People admire the KTM 990, like the hardcore image etc but clearly in most cases then go off and buy a GS. BMW sell 3 or 4 times as many GSs at KTM sell 990adv.

Yamaha wanted to produce a large adventure bike and correctly target the market leader.

The only issue I have with it is the price

Go for it Ray and don't forget to supply us with decent feedback

Capt may even give you a 1200 section


Thats why I got shot of mine(GS no GSA). It let me down one too many times. If they where reliable I would still have one today.

Sounds like the sort of tracks I used my GS on...mainly fireroads which it handled well. I think the blue looks superb but if they did white it would also be my 1st choice. I think the direct comparison is due to the prototype mock up yamaha did and then produced a bike nothing like it. The Proto type looked like a big 660 unlike the actual bike so people like myself expected a KTM/Yamaha sort of bike to be produced. The GS will sell easily and replaced with a nice new bike.......... personally I like the instruments on the new Super tenere they look great!..... Having never ridden one I guess the new Tenere engine will be smooth, powerfull and pull like a train................... I will be interested in your review when you get one compared to the GS.........

It is a sh1t load of money but it is exactly what I need. I retire in a few weeks so this will likely be my last big bike purchase and its nothing compared to the �52k motorhome we are about to buy so I can live with the cost.

Buying the BMW was a big mistake. I just do not like it. If I had only waited 6 months - wally. I have no complaints with it (indicators excepted) but it just does not have the tuning forks on the tank.

I have a big soft spot in my heart for Yamahas right from my 1972 FS1E moped onwards.

Horses for courses. What ever rocks your boat, spins your propeller, etc etc.
and I agree, comparing a 660 with a 1200 is not really realistic.

261kg. For that reason I'm out. That's not to say at all that its wrong to want one...not at all, at all. Have a test ride, buy one if its what you want - and gis the feedback - I would be really interested for one

Ah ..... nostalgia, rose-coloured-spectacles and old age .... a heady cocktail. I can smell the Castrol now !!

Go for it Ray. If I have funds I'll be tempted too - and in white (could always chuck a paint can at it I suppose). I love my VStrom1000 for exactly the reasons you've outlined, especially two-up, and I'm expecting this to be a better version, albeit a parallel twin.

It's going to be at the Drtmund bike show next week, so I'll take a look and sit and ask questions, then report back.

I would apreciate it if you could ask about the following:
1) delivery time and method due to online ordering being the only apparent option this year.
2) can the ABS be turned off. (just for fun - they are a real life saver on a big bike)
3) what are the traction control options and their effects.
4) what are the throttle modes "D MODE", T and S.
5) how much protection is there for the front and rear suspension from dirt. (the GSAs electronic one is ridiculously exposed and about �1200 to replace)

Sorry...long list but I do not know when we will get to see one in the UK and I would like to place an order.

I'm trying to talk SWAMBO into riding to Dortmund.....:eusa_whistle:

Hi Ray.
Yes, of course I will - all of them. Here's the link if you want to take a look at the show and are considering going www.zweiradmessen.de Click on the brochure looking thing that shows the Dortmund show, then, on the right is a menu including 'exhibition outlook', this shos the Super Ten. From what I can see, they're calling it the 'World Premier', scheduled for 10.00 on Thursday. I'm not clear if this is a public day, but I'll ring tommorrow and ask. I also want to be sure it will be there.It also seems to suggest that pre-booked tickets have gone, but that there are plenty available 'at the door'. Again, I'll check.

Not sure when I'm going yet, but will have a think, depending on what I find out tommorrow.

Hey, Ray! Good choice, congrats in advance! On your first question:
the Super Tenere can be ordered as of beginning March, only online and first one swill be delivered as of May(this is what my dealer told me). Me, myself am not interested in buying the S10, 'cause I'm completely happy with my 660Tenere; but like I said in another thread, I was invited to come along to the official dealer presentation of the S10 at YamahaNL Headquarters in Schiphol, March 22nd. And I'm also goin' to the Dortmund Bikeshow( www.zweiradmessen.de) next week. Although it's a big bike, I think it'll be a great allroad touring bike, competitive to the GS, Tiger, Stelvio and such.
Greetz, Hans.

Just a thought... I wonder if there will be a TDM version? That would make more sense, given the size of the thing, and it would go great in the garage alongside my Z... hmmmm? It would have to be a darn sight cheaper too though, under �10k would do it...

Well, I for one have my fingers crossed for that.

Just confirmed with the show organisers for Dortmund:

- show runs for public and trade from Thursday to Sunday, 09.00 till 18.00 (20.00 Friday).
- no problem with buying tickets on the day, at 12 Euros daily
- Super Tenere will definately be there (spoke to the guy Thomas who is doing the introduction) and premiered to public and press at 10.00 on Thursday.

Weather forecast looks ok, dry with temps of around 3 - 5c.

Bu55er....can't go to Dortmund....got to go to Scotland instead.

Thanks anyway Loopydog.

I found a very bad initial review over on the UK GS website - UKGSer (who needless to say are giving the bike the thumbs down), here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBMEr...layer_embedded

Enjoy...as best you can !!

Edit: and a bit of a story from the same dork I think

http://www.gizmag.com/yamaha-super-t...cations/14310/

Hell fire, that guy is annoying.... Sorry, couldn't listen to the whole thing,

What kind of advanced rider would hit the rear brake first...... I loved the linked brakes on the Honda, until I got on a bike without them, now I wouldn't have a bike with linked brakes. Don't get me wrong, they are safe, but they take so much rider intervention away you loose the skill to actually control a bke without them. Then again I'm not a fan of driver aids, I suppose that's why I like the 660Z so much.

Ray - I think this bike will suit your needs perfectly, my gripe with the bike is Yamaha's hype and the let down feeling, then the price.... It's subjective, but in your case, and for your needs I think you are right to consider the bike - perfect for 2-up riding over long distances.

I'm actually coming around to the bike, I think they will sell loads of them (not least becasue of the limited numbers) and I think we'll see more 2nd hand GS's at the Yamaha dealers when these bikes hit the showrooms. It is there to get a slice of the GS market, and I think it will. I also think we'll see a price reduction into next year, or maybe some dealer support from Yamaha to give better trade in prices (especialy on BMUU's), or wider 0% finance, or 'adventure packs' thrown in - either way I think Yamaha will do something to make this bike more affordable in the 2nd and 3rd years. I reckon the blue will be a 1st year only colour to help keep the residuals hight.

I will certainly have a go on one if I get the changes, I've already been promised a ride on the Multistrada form the newest Ducatti Dealer in the North, when the demonstrator hits the road in the Spring so it will be a nice comparison. Will I buy one? Dunno, something in the 'big' adventure range would be a better tourer (for me and the missis) than the XJR, and if it has 'fun' inbuilt then possibly....

This kind of advanced rider.....

"For example, it was possible to go down Bray Hill in the TT without closing the throttle, by steadying the bike with light application of the rear brake just before taking the slight right hand curve at the bottom."

From 'Bill Lomas - World Champion Road Racer' written by Bill with a detailed explanation of the rear wheel braking technique he used in many GP and TT races (2 times World GP champion, 2 times TT winner) as well as his successful 'trials' career.