That does not sound any different from my daily commute. And the section of motorway I have to take is far from the busiest in this part of the country. Driver attitude does not seem to be better here than I experienced in the UK.

As for training and tests I do believe the Netherlands have a pretty good system set up. Several different exams (theoretical, practical, on road) at different times with many hours of compulsory training with a professional instructor in between.

The lack of continued training after the exams is a problem everywhere.

hi,
I think duibhceK has hit the nail on the head

Q ''As for training and tests I do believe the Netherlands have a pretty good system set up. Several different exams (theoretical, practical, on road) at different times with many hours of compulsory training with a professional instructor in between.''

if a learner has gone throught the extra elements and has the card 'marked' by a qualified instructor then the test pass can change the license from learner to full status, what you recon?

I have driven in the mainland, it's definately a less pleasent experience than here in Ireland N/S or mainland Europe. some folks definately need to take a chill pill, well certainly less caffine. as life is short enough without getting needlessly wound up!

stoic

Learners do.


I do.

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but indeed hardly anyone signals any more.

To illustrate: here in Belgium public transport buses have priority over any other vehicle on the road when leaving the bus stop. But ONLY if they signal. Hardly any of them actually do and if they do it is only after they have started turning into the road, so too late to warn any vehicle that may be passing.

Yep, I understood that. Just trying to point out, that the least experienced (learners, not me!) are nearly always better behaved and have the right attitude but it's a shame with experience comes a reduction in attitude and introduction to bad behaviour, in the main part, there are always exceptions.

The trouble is, once you have you 'right to drive/ride' (licence) there is no requirement to to take any further training. Those who choose to take extra training are predisposed to be better riders/driver anyway, and it requires the right attitude to accept you are always learning. It's those who think they are good, never are.

Perhaps if they taught 'Driver Education' in schools, enforcing driving/riding as a privilege not a right then we might see a change through the generations, or we might not.

I pleased to say though, through my own experiences as a supervising driver, I have much more respect and patients with 'L' and 'P' plated cars. It's tough out there learning in these times.

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hi, i've missed that one 'p' plate? is that like our 'r' restricted?

Yup,

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I indicate when I need to;

when overtaking on the motorway I indicate to pull out to the right,

I DO NOT indicate to pull back in - sorry but where else am I going to go ?

I always give foreign LGV's an extra lane when i overtake sorry but seen to many blind spot RTC's to risk getting close to them.

Agree that new drivers are better than most.

we should have to re test every few years, yeah there would be costs involved but wouldnt it be great to get some of the crap drivers off our roads.

Why do most drivers sit in lane 2 or 3 on the motorway when lane 1 is empty is beyond me.

yup fact want good drivers goto Germany

and don't even get me started on what happens when we get 1 inch of snow fall. if you can't drive in the snow stay at home !

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This drives me nuts Grrrrrrrrr........

Not to mention the stupid feckers that look you in the eye before pulling out on you, wouldn't mind but a Tenere with a noisy can is not the hardest thing to spot on the road.

If the police are strapped for cash why don't they send unmarked bikes out? They'd rake the cash in with all the numpties out there.

had a funny one in front of me this morning. Fancy-ass lease Volvo S60 company car changes lanes 4 times in front of me without indicating. But when we are off the motorway on a single lane road that has a bend he suddenly feels the need to use the indicator.

Maybe he was afraid I wouldn't see where the road was going or something