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pauli 17-04-08 22:51

LeoVince Cans + DNA 1&2 + PCIII
 
If anyone has this combination of mods I would highly recommend PCIII map M412-518 - without any fiddling it has given the bike the smoothest part throttle riding I've ever had - not even a hint of surging.

The bike does smell quite rich when stood behind it while revving her up, but I guess it must be OK as the bike runs so well.

However, the best bit is the fantastic amount of thrust the bike has gained from 3000rpm to 5500rpm-ish. I'm not sure if its lost a little bottom end or because the midrange is so strong it just feels that way, or maybe that's just the effect the pipes have.

All I have to do now is the AIS as the popping on deceleration turns heads, so only a matter of time before it turns the wrong heads.

Anyway for completeness the combination is:

XT660X 2004
DNA 1&2
LeoVince X3 cans with long Db killers in (Very deep sound - great)
CO1 @ 12
ECU marked 00

:luuurve:

Kev 18-04-08 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauli (Post 52667)
If anyone has this combination of mods I would highly recommend PCIII map M412-518 - without any fiddling it has given the bike the smoothest part throttle riding I've ever had - not even a hint of surging.

The bike does smell quite rich when stood behind it while revving her up, but I guess it must be OK as the bike runs so well.

However, the best bit is the fantastic amount of thrust the bike has gained from 3000rpm to 5500rpm-ish. I'm not sure if its lost a little bottom end or because the midrange is so strong it just feels that way, or maybe that's just the effect the pipes have.

All I have to do now is the AIS as the popping on deceleration turns heads, so only a matter of time before it turns the wrong heads.

Anyway for completeness the combination is:

DNA 1&2
LeoVince X3 cans with long Db killers in (Very deep sound - great)
CO1 @ 12
ECU marked 00

:luuurve:

Very nice, glad you found a fuel map to suit your bike.

May be we can start a thread what fuel map are you running. Can other forum members post their results here for all to see.

carlyface 18-04-08 10:23

I�ve the same combination. The betters maps that i put it has gone the "Kev fuel map" and the Captain map. I prefeer first.
Other that i put it was 515, it�s good too but i think that it has fuel exceeds.

Now i�ve put kev fuel map with a little modification to low revs.
I�ll prove the 518 to see the result.

pauli 19-04-08 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev (Post 52673)
May be we can start a thread what fuel map are you running. Can other forum members post their results here for all to see.

A great idea, it would be a useful exercise indeed. I look forward to that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlyface
I�ve the same combination. The betters maps that i put it has gone the "Kev fuel map" and the Captain map. I prefeer first.
Other that i put it was 515, it�s good too but i think that it has fuel exceeds.

Now i�ve put kev fuel map with a little modification to low revs.
I�ll prove the 518 to see the result.

I too found the kev fuel map and capt moto smap gave me some glitches at the bottom end, some noticeable hesitation when snapping the throttle.

What changes did you make to the map to get it working nicely??

Let us know how you do with 518

Paul

BigSwede 05-05-08 07:18

I have the M 412-520 map installed but hasnt tryed out any ther maps so cant compare. Is it safe to fool around with these maps that everybody talks about? Just to load the PCIII and try the bike and if im not happy just change to another map?

Ive tried to join the supporter club here but doesnt work for me and the paying. Damn

Tony660x 05-05-08 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigSwede (Post 54425)
Is it safe to fool around with these maps that everybody talks about? Just to load the PCIII and try the bike and if im not happy just change to another map?

It is safe to test all the maps out, I must have tried 10 before I realised the very first one I tried was the best. The great thing about the PCIII is how easy it is to hook up to your PC/laptop and swap them over. Keep testing till you find the best for your set up.

Kev 05-05-08 11:18

As Tony said no problems in swapping maps with in reason, make sure they have simular set ups & you will be ok.

In the supporters section we have over 35 different fuel maps for all years & most set ups.

maxx3 24-05-08 15:50

I know nothing for English ..
but I think this helps

aspect confirms

http://digilander.libero.it/massimop...Leo%20dna2.djm


:icon_wink:

http://digilander.libero.it/massimop...ssimo%20HP.jpg

CaptMoto 24-05-08 16:55

Ue' cumpa' non ti capiamo, cosa intendi dire? hai pubblicato una copia del risultato Dyno il che sembra molto ordinario, hai bisogno di qualche aiuto? Cercavi di dimostrare una cosa in particolare?

Se ti e' piu' facile scrivi pure in italiano.

A presto

maxx3 24-05-08 17:38

auz qui si parla in italiano molto bene:006:
ho messo una mappa che penso possa servire a pauli fatta sul banco con scarico leovince dna2 filtro K&N snorkel rimosso
il CO � 8

dispongo anche di mappe per le Arrow sempre fatte sul banco

Kev 24-05-08 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxx3 (Post 56442)
I know nothing for English ..
but I think this helps

aspect confirms

http://digilander.libero.it/massimop...Leo%20dna2.djm


:icon_wink:

http://digilander.libero.it/massimop...ssimo%20HP.jpg

Thanks maxx3 i will add your fuel map to the map section. One question what is the part number on your ECU & what do you have your CO set at?

maxx3 25-05-08 14:37

kev mi servirebbe un traduttore ..
..vediamo se CaptMoto pu� darci una mano

dovrei farti anche alcune domande sui lavori che hai fatto :041:
io ho fatto lavorare i condotti e aumentare le valvole di aspirazione e modificare quelle di scarico
ma il pistone del raptor 660 con il rapporto 12/1 della JE pu� andare bene sulla mia senza retifica ne niente ?

non � troppo 12/1 ?
grazie

CaptMoto 25-05-08 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxx3 (Post 56528)
kev mi servirebbe un traduttore ..
..vediamo se CaptMoto pu� darci una mano

dovrei farti anche alcune domande sui lavori che hai fatto :041:
io ho fatto lavorare i condotti e aumentare le valvole di aspirazione e modificare quelle di scarico
ma il pistone del raptor 660 con il rapporto 12/1 della JE pu� andare bene sulla mia senza retifica ne niente ?

non � troppo 12/1 ?
grazie


Kev maxx3 asked me to translate this.

I have enlarged (?) the valve's [passages] to increase aspiration and modify the outlets too...

However the raptor 660 piston has a 12/1 ratio, do you thin I can fit this piston to the XT without modifications? isn't 12/1 too much?
Thanks

Kev 25-05-08 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 56529)
Kev maxx3 asked me to translate this.

I have enlarged (?) the valve's [passages] to increase aspiration and modify the outlets too...

However the raptor 660 piston has a 12/1 ratio, do you thin I can fit this piston to the XT without modifications? isn't 12/1 too much?
Thanks

The Raptor 660 piston will not fit our XT's as the small end pin is smaller.

CaptMoto 25-05-08 23:33

Translation:

Kev dice che il pistone del Raptor 660 non puo connettersi con la biella della XT perche' il pignone del pistone e' piu' piccolo e non entra.

maxx3 26-05-08 07:21

grazie mille ..
sia per la traduzione e la risposta

quini il 700 si pu� mettere sulla nostra biella il 660 no
io non riesco a trovare pistoni della xt 660 con il solo rapporto di compressione aumentato
ho trovato per la xtz660 ma il rapporto � sempre 12/1

CaptMoto kev mi ha fatto delle domande prima ma non ho capito

grazie ancora :icon_salut:

CaptMoto 26-05-08 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxx3 (Post 56604)
grazie mille ..
sia per la traduzione e la risposta

quini il 700 si pu� mettere sulla nostra biella il 660 no
io non riesco a trovare pistoni della xt 660 con il solo rapporto di compressione aumentato
ho trovato per la xtz660 ma il rapporto � sempre 12/1

CaptMoto kev mi ha fatto delle domande prima ma non ho capito

grazie ancora :icon_salut:

Thanks maxx3 i will add your fuel map to the map section. One question what is the part number on your ECU & what do you have your CO set at?

Kev ti ha chiesto qual'e' il numero di matricola del tuo ECU e qual'e' il valore del CO che tu hai programmato?

Saluti

maxx3 26-05-08 16:41

dove trovo la matricola della ECU ?

il CO � 8

CaptMoto 26-05-08 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxx3 (Post 56644)
dove trovo la matricola della ECU ?

il CO � 8

Smonta il deflettore di calore che si trova sul ECU e il numero e' cosi

http://www.xs4all.nl/~mgraaf/xt660/kev/ECU_00.jpg

maxx3 31-05-08 08:22

CaptMoto scusa la mia ignoranza ma dove si trova la ECU ?
se possono servire ho anche una mappa per Arrow sempre fatta su banco

volevo chiedere a Kev se ricorda il diametro dei carter dove entra il cilindro quanto � originale ?
grazie mille

CaptMoto 31-05-08 11:07

L'ECU e' situato dietro il pannello nero all sinistra della moto (lato pedale cambio) Il pannello immediatamente al di sotto della sella quello con la chiave per aprire la sell se mi capisci.

Kev Max wants to know what is the diameter of the bore where the barrell meets the bottom end. on the original motor that is.

Cheers

Kev 31-05-08 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 57181)
L'ECU e' situato dietro il pannello nero all sinistra della moto (lato pedale cambio) Il pannello immediatamente al di sotto della sella quello con la chiave per aprire la sell se mi capisci.

Kev Max wants to know what is the diameter of the bore where the barrell meets the bottom end. on the original motor that is.

Cheers

I cant remember, I would have to ask Kev2 he may still have it writen down some where.

The XT660 cylinder is 108mm & the Raptor cylinder is 110mm. It may have had a air gap of .45mm around the sleave I will check with Kev2.

maxx3 02-06-08 15:02

grazie

questo � quello scritto sulla mia ECU

5VK - 8591A - 01
112100 - 1872
12V TBDF08

da quello che capisco il carter motore � 108
sto cercando una camicia del cilindro che entri nei carter senza allargare ci sono delle possibilit� ?

grazie di tutto :icon_salut:

CaptMoto 02-06-08 15:24

Kev maxx says hs ecu reads the following:

5VK - 8591A - 01
112100 - 1872
12V TBDF08

Also he is asking if it is possible to find a larger barrel that will fit into the bottom end without it being bored.














I know I am getting a bit bored of this though :applause:

Freez 02-06-08 15:47

I would not even consider a 660 raptor piston.

Both the Xt660 and raptor 660 uses a 100mm bore, so the piston will fit (not sure about stroke), but the 660 raptor uses a 5 valve head while the XT660 uses a 4 valve head.

With a high compression 660 raptor piston, the valves of the Xt660 might actually touch the piston and cause damage since the valve relieve pockets on the raptor 660 piston will not line up to the 4 valves on the XT head.

Kev 02-06-08 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freez (Post 57413)
I would not even consider a 660 raptor piston.

Both the Xt660 and raptor 660 uses a 100mm bore, so the piston will fit (not sure about stroke), but the 660 raptor uses a 5 valve head while the XT660 uses a 4 valve head.

With a high compression 660 raptor piston, the valves of the Xt660 might actually touch the piston and cause damage since the valve relieve pockets on the raptor 660 piston will not line up to the 4 valves on the XT head.

Freez I am sure I read that the Raptor 660 small end pin is 1mm smaller then the XT660 & raptor 700.

Freez 03-06-08 10:06

You are probably correct Kev, I did not even look that far. Since the XT valves will not line up with the piston relieve holes on the raptor 660 piston, I did not go any further.

Kev 03-06-08 11:17

You are quite right Freez even if the small end pin was the same size the, you can't fit a 5 valve piston into a 4 valve cylinder. The valves would probably hit the piston.


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