Just the reply I was looking for , I shall try that on the rear next..thankyou

Do you just use yours for dirt riding or do you do some commuting too?

Commuting and a lot of quite rough off road, I live with the tyre wear rate..

how much do you get out of the C17?

Quite quick to start with on the tarmac,but then slows down.It again is yellow band Dakar variant, truly impressed with this tyre in all conditions from mud to flinty rocks it grips all the way and with the tougher sidewalls it can be run at low pressure. Reasonably cheap too..

had both the f+R armys down to 22psi without any issues without using rim locks.

They have quite tough side walls then,another good thing!..

A point to note. so here we're in our autumn which means leaves on the road, wet damp slimy roads.

The armys did very well on my commute today, I commute on B roads and smaller with lots of general crap covering the road surface and it can get pretty slimy.

today it's rained enough to bring to crap up to the surface and a good coat of leaves and the temperature was only 4c

I had to slow down a little but the tyres had no trouble finding grip, and I was still able to set a good pace, I was still going quicker than most of the cars on the back roads. Of course if I decided to I could still play the tyre letting it spin up or lock up if I wanted.

Ok so now the rear is on 1500miles and the front is on 1000miles.

Lately I've not really had the chance to get much dirt under the tyres so again it has been mostly road riding.

The rear is almost half worn now but there has been no change in performance both on or off road.

We're getting into our winter now so I've had chance to try the tyres on frosted and iced roads. it's been cold enough for ice to form on the tyres (-6c) Roads round me have frosted white despite being treated so tells you how bad it's got at times.

The tyres have done well on frozen icy roads. Any break in grip has been progressive with warning and so far not resulted in the bike going down. The wandering of the big blocks on the rear have been a pain when your watching your grip levels and may hide any loss in traction but haven't produced any scary moments.

They certainly are a good choice if you have to commute grotty rural roads.

More of a update for road conditions over mileage.

So the rear has 2000 on it and is still looking fine, initially I thought they'd be toast by 3000 but it looks like i'll get more than that out of it.

So anyway, we had our cold snap. unfortunately we never had any real snow so sorry about that as that's one thing I was really looking forward to testing them in.

But we have had plenty of frozen roads and a few good days of wet slush.

When we had the good slush it was only about 1" and the tyres were fine, it surprised me just how well behaved they were, almost as if the road was just wet from rain. On icy roads they have been very good, obviously you have to tame your riding for the ice but they've prooved very good at hunting out any available grip.

I'd have to ay coming from road bikes I was worried about using an aggressive tyre on the road but they are very well behaved, if you ignore the slight wandering from the blocks. certainly worth the money if your not so worried about high speed riding.