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new ccm on its way
i was talking to a few guys at the lakeland weekend
so as promised heres a bit of info on my new bike im looking forward to it should have her by august ..should make those trails alittle easier i do quite a few weekend meets like lakeland with trail riding thrown in ..so it looks perfect for making my way ...trailriding and coming back i have plans to take it to portugal next may for its first med distance trip ..if it proves reliable ..the engine is based on a high strung g 450x but with auxilery oil tank and detuned engine ..they say 5000 miles service intervals .. im not convinced i am under no illusion this will not be a low cost bike to maintain ...but as long as it does its job ..i dont care if it proves itself in gb ill consider africa ..but for now the wilderbeast will take the strain ... the ccm will not be needed for 95 percent of the time and it may tempt me to ne silly for no good reason + its just so light and i guess the off road lads will understand why i want it ..im getting on a bit and the xt and klr wilderbeast are pretty heavy to throw around and pick up i heard about it early last year and went to the factory to see the prototype ...its so slim but the componants are top notch the frame is cast alloy machined billet headstock and yolks renthal talon exel brembo stainless braided enough ground clearance to clear a small bus but feet flat on the floor and a bit in reserve tractive [white power] suspension preload .. full fast slow compression and rebound front and back 130 kgms 17ltrweight low under seat tank 250mile range now ccm has been in the wilderness for a good while ..and i really think they have made a great bike here nothing cheap ..its not knocked together with a mig welder in a weekend ..you can see by the broshure that they have pulled out all the stops i really think it will be a succsess for them ..it really is a very high quality bike ive seen a stripped down frame ..the battery sits in a cnc macined pod in the frame spine under the tank ..the wiring is so neat juntion boxes neat ..no rats nest ubder here air box and battery are very high for water crossings ..now and again quite deep ..now and again too deep ..it higher than the kawasaki badge on the tank ..which at this moment in time would have been useful the bow wave would flood the xt and quack here ... oops http://imageshack.us/a/img854/562/sunked.jpg ..so its really very well constructed even pretty with the tank off it feels like a xr250 to sit on but is still very comfy for my 6ft frame ..good fairing screen high enough to be effective a real little mini adventure bike ...42hp 130 kgms should be fun ?? now im not one for taking risks usually but it looks perfect for me .. i really was so impressed i just put a deposit down on the spot l now you may get the feeling that im trying to convince meself im doing the right and you could be very right to a degree afterrall its newand unproven but it looks so good there is nothing close to it in the marketplace i have to give it a chance ..i really hope it is what i think it will be i mean a ktm 690 is the nearest ..i had me credit card ready but then ..7300 ... then 750 for a adv tank 1250 for a fairing .. new seat is a must ...headlamp useless 250 quid ... bash plate 200... rear rack 150 so its not a fair comparason ..i really near cried when i first saw it ....its a enduro with winkers ..i was hoping it would be a 640 advebture on a diet .....as is you need a van to lug it around in any event its a brave step from ccm and may change the market if it proves a succsess making a bike lighter is a lot harder than making one heavier and to that degree it is setting a bnew standard by about 65 kgms .. a fully loaded top spec gs 1200 adv is 124 kgms heavier ...and near 7500 quid dearer .. now the question is what kind of bike do you really want ??? ..i for one hope it does succeed in which case ill be a pioneer like a fat version of indiana jones ....ok maby not ride safe ...steve so here she is pdf broshureand specs below http://adventuremotorcyclinghandbook.../ccm-gp450.pdf http://imageshack.us/a/img197/755/01ccmadventure.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img27/3176/ccm001x.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img69/4292/04ccmadventure.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img845/3374/img0401ukv.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img90/4593/06ccmadventure.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img818/4122/08ccmadventure.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img818/5624/ccmda.jpg |
It's a sweet looking bike Steve, I reckon CCM will hit the sweet spot with lots of riders.
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nice bike!!
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it does look lovely, looks super light and slim.
Whats the "tracTive" thing on the tank? i'm loving the Tenere, height doesnt put me off as im tall (actually want it a tad taller) but the weights pissing me off...... i want something lighter! KTM 690 is top of my list, but price puts me off. and how long will they last? not as long as a tenere i bet. Good luck for being a CCM guinea pig :) Hope fully it will be as good as it looks. keep us informed. Enjoy |
That really is a nice bike both in terms of looks and spec/quality, and British too.
Not sure about Metal Mule panniers though? Kind of defeats the object of buying a light bike - they've probably doubled its weight! ;) |
yes the pannier are ott ..i wont be having them
i am a softie ... there is a soft luggage option at 200 quid with support rails ..its not big but may be perfect for a band b run for a couple of nights i may well just get it with the bike ...id have to see it in the flesh first though ..this is the only pictute of it on the bike http://imageshack.us/a/img803/6341/ccm5.jpg the tractive thingy is for 10 stage elecronic preload ..optional extra ..but not for me http://imageshack.us/a/img405/6205/pancm.jpg |
nice..
I could see myself on one... minus the tin boxes... |
'Tis a thing of beauty though. I reckon I could get into a lot of trouble on something like that :love4:
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Nice concept, be lookin at the other models, a 250 mile range trail bike could tempt me to retire the TT600.
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Looks sweet.But pricey.:smilies0349:
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When should this bike come out?
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7995 is it
i got a little sweetener for ordering early .some extra bits hanguards ..bashplate dunlop 606 tyres and a a couple of hundred quid less as they werre debating a 7795 tag so i got it for that which is still a fair chunk i know . but compare it with a 690 at 7300 ..to get the same spec would be near 10000 by the time youve been shopping at rally raid im ok with the price as long as it is as good as it seems theres a lot of stuff on there that would cost a arm and a leg to put on a standard bike ..billet yolks and w/power forks would be over 2000 quid on the tenere or any other bike for that matter .. as a for instance .. then talon pegs and exel rims braided lines ..billet hubs ...you can see how it would mount up in a project bike .and thatt assumes you have some know how .and it would still be very heavy after all thats done i guess the deal is it pretty easy to add weight to a bike but its bloody hard to loose it ..thats one of its biggest appeals for me its the lightness off road that made me want it ..dont get me wrong the klr and tenere do really well given there size they are great bikes for rough tracks marroco and sutch ......its also the best looking adv bike bar none ..i think the tenere and the bmw dakar are the best adv bikes out there .its just that extra off road ability that made me go that way it would be easy to buyanother pogo but who wants to ride a drz for 700 miles ?? i think it will fill a gap ..tenere for longer trips ccm for dirty weekends ..it souds eccsesive but the two together are probably worth 3500 ess than a fully loaded gs adv ??..i dont drive a car so why not ? he he worse comes to worse and its a lemon ...ill just have to take the two or three grand grand hit... and move on ..somhow i dont think so ...i guess ill find out soon i am prone to taking the tenere in some stupid places and just need somthing lighter to help me out http://imageshack.us/a/img21/677/pa083307.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img521/7519/bathtime.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img837/8416/photo0070q.jpg stunning looks ....and the bike s quite nice too ...he he http://imageshack.us/a/img268/7427/breconmud.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img829/4440/trll.jpg anyway ill keep you posted when it comes..im told august delivery .. i think general sale is in the autum |
Did you get the new ccm ? Whats your thoughts
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Had a chance to ride one today! Some road riding and about 50 miles of trails around the Brecks/Thetford forest in Norfolk.
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb57d671a.jpg Norfolk County Council in their wisdom have put unrestricted speed limit signs up at the start of each trail! Must say the GP450 is considerably more manageable than the Tenere in the dirt. Felt very similar on the road and you really don't notice the difference in power, which is I guess, in part down to the weight differential. There would be one minor ergonomic issue I would have to rectify if I ever bought one and that's the seat not being high enough (or rather the seat to peg distance) which left my legs a bit cramped, this may cause problems on a long ride if you're anything other than a midget? The bar height is spot on though, and works really well standing. Overall though, I really liked it - a lot. :thumbsup: |
its strating to get a good press im glad ou liked it
as you can tell im still waiting im being lent one for a lakes weekend next week im hoping march delivery ....you should be so dam tall :icon_albino: nice one |
new ccm on its way
It rightly should be getting a good press. I think it could very well prove to be the definitive adventure bike - pending proof of long term reliability that is, but that's what early adopters like you are for! ;)
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Not tall (if you remember), similar height to you - I just have disproportionally long legs compared to my body! ;) |
im not sure yet ive got the bike with the high seat i may just raise the bars inch or cowhorn the bars
im still waiting but there lending me one for the gategarth trail weekend next week final spec looks like this .....:sunny: http://imageshack.com/a/img707/1867/ukzi.jpg it would have been handy last week ......:icon_redface: poor old wilderbeast was out of its remit http://i57.tinypic.com/ehifo.jpg ill keep you posted |
The tall seat option would be a must. I guess the press bikes are fitted with the low seat to make it seem less intimidating?
I see that final spec bike has T63s fitted, which we were lucky to have fitted on the one we had out. Not the best in the dirt, but a damn sight better than the Dunlop Trailmax that a lot of the pre-release and press bikes were fitted with. Here's another couple of (not great) pics of the CCM in Thetford Forest. http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfa12481c.jpg http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0a2d45fe.jpg |
had it for three days and 400 miles recently ...we did some pretty tough trais over two days ...the bike performed really well ...its fine in the low 70s on the motorway ....
pinpoint accurate in the twisties ...and the suspension is just outsatanding on the rough stuff ..... really impressed i wish they would hurry up with it http://i62.tinypic.com/33agaw6.jpg http://i57.tinypic.com/2lkpwma.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/xoma9k.jpg http://i61.tinypic.com/wjife1.jpg http://i61.tinypic.com/14baeq.jpg |
That's the exact same bike that I had out.
How did you find it this time with the T63s? You had the Dunlops on the last one if I remember right? |
I had a go on the new CCM recently. It's a nice little bike. Here are the thoughts of a motorbiking newbie who is riding 660 Tenere for some time:
Good: - It's light for sure, you can do some silly things on gravel and the back end is very easy to bring back in line - Wind protection with standard screen is good, no sign of buffeting at 70 (I'm 6'4'' and get a lot of buffeting on Tenere regardless of screen height, deflectors etc) - Power delivery has a nice little peak - Fueling is nice and smooth or perhaps lack of grunt is hiding jerkiness well - Frame is a masterpiece Not necessarily bad: - Fork and suspension in general on my bike was very stiff. I had a go on FE570 recently and CCMs suspenders didn't feel anything like the magic carpet of the Husaberg. Can they be set up to feel similar??? - Even with high seat I felt my legs are bent beyond comfortable but I feel like that about most of the dirt bikes (I find 690 a bit more roomy) - Power feel like a barely acceptable minimum to me but there is not much grunt there compared to the Tenere, I like when the back steps out with light twist of the throttle and CCM needs to be worked hard to do that and mine was on semi street tyres :) - I was trying to get some detailed info on what actually needs servicing when but staff presenting the bike didn't know much which I find a bit disturbing. They mentioned a valve check at every oil change :017: - Found the front brake a bit spongy and vague but not a deal breaker - Although bike feels ok at 70mph it is at the cost of first gear crawling ability, I would want to change sprockets on longer trips So yeah it's a cool bike although feels like purposefully made for smaller people. I can't see it replacing Tenere in my case. And as a hardcore long distance trail bike I would probably start with sth like fe570. |
surprised about the suspension comment mine was set too soft with excessive rider sag but ...i found it outstanding off road particularly good in rocks and rock steps ....no deflection no wrist jolt ..just skipped along on big riugbyball rocks and was very sure footed
the throtte has a stepped opening and what happened to me at first was i simply wasnt opening it enough ..ive had about thirty hours on the bike ..and the throttle deffinatly has a long action ..which is great on wet mud and rocks goiung slowly but opening it up in the right way i honestly reacon it could show my tenere tenere a clean pair of heels on a twisty road ..it pulls really hard at the top end and it steers with pinpoint accuracy ....?? i had no troble with leg comfort at all over the three days and didnt notice any problems at all the seat was generally good ....i wasnt noticing it or getting numb bum which is a good sign ...for longer trips ill just stick me airhawk on the bike climbs steeply at walking pace and is near impossible to stall ..again i found its slow speed manners spot on coming down very steep decents the front brake was one finger good and the suspension still did its job ith a fair amont of weight from the front brake l ..being able to use 3rd and fourth gear on pretty tough ground where the tenere would be in 2nd the t63s were ok as the lakes are 90 percent rock based one or two muddy lanes were done but if i was doing wales id prbably use maxxis or kenda trackmaster s on it all in all i found the bike comfy ..im 6ft 1in at 6ft 4 i would think it may be too small ..it will just do for me .no problem on the motorway and as good or better than any dirt bike ive owned off road my use is puley to travel and trail and i dont want to be restriceted to which trails i do ....so that really is its purpose ..its focus really is 50/50 the ktm 690 has a lot more power ...but when ive ridden them i found they were too radical for the road .....there is nothing at all that comes as standard that lends itself to long trips .... the seat the vibration over 70 is bad ...but there is no weather protection at all and over 70mph the bike i rode feels kind of detached and vauge at the front so its all well and good having the power ..but i dont like the ktm on the road at a ll ..by the time ive been to rally raid it would be hurtling toward 11k in ccm spec ..fairing tank racks subframe and all the rest of it ,,,,but then it would be around 20kg heavier too all in all i find the ccm a good comprimise ...when i get it set up with the seat adjustable screen heated grips and all i honesstly see no problem riding to marroc and back ive been riding round with a fouteen tooth on the tenere for four years as the gearspacings and overall ratio has been pushed far too high ..... the ccm is spaced for off roading and hooks up and pulls instantly .....the difference between a 14t tenere on the road and the ccm is probably nothing in the real world ,,..and in fairness its only a 450 .. but the ccm s power to weight makes that 300cc effectivly dissapear . the cummupance is the ccm will be 10mph slower 70 insead of 80 on the motorway than a standard tenere ....but as soon as you hit the trail ...the ccm is a much much better bike ..the other thing is managability ...70kgms lighter fully fueled ... i guess its a balence we all have to make ....rob peter to pay paul bearin mind this was full on tough trail weekend ..running in the company of some very good riders on 450 excs 690s freewinds drzs crfs yzfs and anything in between .so given that near all the rest came out of the back of a van ...the ccm did a very good job indeed so whats bad its a bit snatchy feuling wise at filtering speeds the clocks are sparten mph trip thats it i think http://www.adventurebikerider.com/co...ticons/sad.png theres a speedo pickup on the front hub begging to ripped out by a forward facing branch the luggage i borrowed was to small in capacity and did leak water in fairness i was told to use dry liners ..i think it would be much better for access with roll top s as the zips prevent stuffability ...on the upside of that the saddle fitting system was brilliant and the luggage and contents stayed where they should and it ws bucked from piller to post evryone said the rear light carrier was flapping like a excited puppy ..i have a fear it may come home strapped to the rear seat if caught in a fall or backed it into a wall or somthing daft it may need bracing or cutting down somway ....?? the rear seat can only accesses be realeasing a bolt under the petrol tank its resessed that should be fun after riding a muddy feild should you need to ..... the standard radiator guard isd plastic but the centre bit.. big squares clogged with mud badly ...so on a hot summers day it could cause the fan to work overtime or worse ..certainly dont want that clogged in merzuga ..ill upgrade to the stainless i think so based on the 400 miles i did thats about it everything worked fine stayed in place http://i60.tinypic.com/wsmbzs.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/e8l3pl.jpg |
I was trying to get some detailed info on what actually needs servicing when but staff presenting the bike didn't know much which I find a bit disturbing. They mentioned a valve check at every oil change
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What would worry me most is the term "subject to further testing". Is a lot of that to be done unwittingly by owners? How long is "further"? A month, six months, a year... indefinitely?
Love the bike, I'd buy one if I could afford one, but I just can't help being a little apprehensive with the issue of reliability and servicing. Oh... and I see they still haven't managed to find a chain guard for it yet! ;) |
im in eyes wide shut .....
i have the concerns about the doner engine ...the same as anyone would ..... but i have talked alot with ccm about what has been done to manage the engine . i effect they have taken a race engine ..that at competition level went up to 10600 revs at the 52 hp and remanaged it the ecu is brand new produced for ccm by the firm that managed their race bikes in the brish mx gps ....so although it still revs freely the internal stress and heat is much reduced controled by the ecu ..... the oil questioned was addressed by kymco and bmw ..the finding was to increase the oil with auxilery tank would lower the operating temperature so for that reason the capacity remained the same ...... it has moved from semi to full syntyhetic ...... i know that the original test engine is still running a year on albeit in its third chassis ...... i expect the bike to do much better than the doubters think ..its already staring to prove itself a little with 800 mile road trips dispatched with no issues ... so it didnt blow up after 10hours after all that said i dont expect anywhere bear xt or klr levels of longevity and fully expect piston and valve work at the major intevals of 15000 miles ...i would guess that would be 7/800 quid so i understand there is a cost of ownership .. i really have some faith in the ccm ...i believe a lot of work has gone into the managment of the engine i dont believe they are throwing their customers a bum steer and lets face i the amount of cost and effort that has gone into the bike ..i dont belive replacing 240 engines under warranty is bult int their ist year buisness plan so the proposed service items are what they are ..and when you look at it it isnt such a big deal im not buying the bike to travel the world or slog to the boondocks ..i want it mostly for trail weekends in dear old gb ...the ccm is perfect for this ..200 miles to brecon trail all weekend and then 200 home ..thats my primary aim for the bike ..i do think she will do this work pretty well a bit of common sense too ...i mean i took the klr to marroc and after the desert run changed the air filter and the oil over there at 2200 miles after the hot sand ..... i changed it again when i got home ...so twice in 4000 miles ..the service interval on the klr is 6000 ....?? but i wasnt happy to leave it that long ....... ill treat the ccm to a freash oil change evey 2000 ...sooner if its hot and dusty ..later if its mild and damp afterall it s a 10 min job after tea ...even when your away .... then ill see how it goes wish me well |
hi
i think your going to love it and as youve said you not looking to go round the world on it. very envious of your pics looks like a great time out on the trails By the way I'm just up the road from you in Aintree regards Geoff |
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Hi Steve and OMTCsee...
Good update... Upon checking the service sheet...what are polymer bearings? :) . |
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IGUS are the largest manufacturer of these type bearings and I reckon they'll more than likely be something like this? http://www.igus.co.uk/wpck/9857/N13_4_8_iglidur_Q2_Standardprogramm?playlistid=33 To quote CCM - "Polymer Lightweight Linkage Bearings - unique to CCM. Offering a hugely extended service life over conventional bearings. They are maintenance and lubrication free and are resistant to chemicals, dirt and salt." ..and we all know what "maintenance and lubrication free" usually means in real life, in the long term! ;) |
Aha!...I have a pair of those on the XTZ swing arm?....not convinced that they'll last too long based on...well nothing other than cynicism :)
Pah humbug.... :) . |
i dunno im puting some trust in ccm ....they arnt using them cos there worse
one thing ccm has proven that it really can screw a race bike together i mean 2nd in the britsh mx championship is no mean feat against the likes of honda and ktm ..... the racebikes used polymer linkages and the bonded frame too ..seemed to do ok ...... they have been used in 17 ton tandem axle trailers in the farming enviriment ...and thats a pretty tough task indeed http://i59.tinypic.com/2emfzw7.jpg steve sword number 71 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d99GMsrnNeo |
Working for the worlds leading manufacturer of advanced engineering plastics id say ccm are onto a winner, and other manufacturers will follow.
I made a set if these to go into my husky 610te 5 years ago because I was too tight to buy needle rollers after they went sloppy. I was sceptical but my boss and the R&D guys convinced me too try it, now I put them in every linkage when the bearings fail. Well done ccm, the bike looks great keep the inovations coming. http://www.quadrantplastics.com/eu-en/home.html |
Based on the last two comments....I rest convinced....
Thanks Guys... :) . |
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