613's & barkbusters?
 

Hi

ive ordered some Ranthal 613's to replace the standard (now bent) bars. just thought though...are my barkbusters going to fit?

im sure these 613's arent going to be higer enough so i will (somehow) need add a small riser too. so im guessing the clutch and throttle cables wont reach so will have to send them to venhill. (����)

so im guessing at Venhill they just swap the inners for longer ones? so there will be more inner cable showing at one end (as the outer will be the same length)

clear as mud? :retard:

Yes... the Barkbusters will fit fine.

The 613's are much higher than standard (25mm I think) bars (they are also a little wider), without fitting new throttle cables you will not get a riser in there.

In order to get the 613's fitted you will need to re-route your throttle cables. So it's tank off time!

http://www.smokingtailpipes.com/Gall...le_ReRoute.jpg

the red line is the route your cables take today, you need to pull them back and re-route over the oil pipe, following the dotted blue line. This gives you enough cable to get the bars to full left hand lock with the 613's fitted.

that pics rings a bell...i was going to get 613's ages ago so maybe thats why ive seen it.

Well, they arrived today. hard to guage hight when there not on the bike but im convinced there still not going to be higher enough?

as anyone had the clutch and throttle cabled lengthened? if so, by how much? cant get my head round how the clutch cable can be lengthened (if it need to be) without also doing the outer (so the whole cable)?

The clutch cable should be long enough. Only the throttle cables are a little bit too short.

Venhill will do it for you, Ubberthumper had his done a while ago. Don't know how much or how long it took though....


If I were you, I'd try the bars first, it's not just the height, but the rise and sweep that changes. You *might* get away with a small riser, 10mm ??

yeah your right. i always try and plan any possible future work/problems as i had having my bike off the road.

Looked on the Venhill site but i think prices are for full custom cables and not alterations.

Just wondering...has anyone changed the handle bar mounts? (the bits that stand up off the yokes :) dont know there proper name)

Think it was about �70-80. It's a new cable inside and out, but you have to send them an original set which they take apart for the moulded plastic bits at the top, because they can't replicate them.

Before I added risers as well, I got away with the stock cables with 613s without even rerouting them.

How tall are you? I'm around 6'3". Just the 613s was great for most stuff. I've got them a bit higher now which is even better for standing, but it's right on the edge of what is comfortable sitting down.

Roll the bars as far forward in the clamps as you can before they hit the clocks on full lock. Gets them further from the pegs, which is what you are trying to do by raising them, and as a bonus, it stretches the cables a bit less.

cheers fella!

im a TINY bit under 6'4" but seem to have quite a long upper body. i liked the bit where you said "I've got them a bit higher now which is even better for standing, but it's right on the edge of what is comfortable sitting down."

i know exactly what you mean! when i first got the Ten, i rolled the bars forward and wacked on risers. When trail riding, and while stood on the pegs it was amazing! then the next ride included a long road bit.....yeah.....not so good sat down! :107: (also, the controls feel weird)

You have to find that balance. I did think about just carrying an Allen key and rolling the bars back a bit if i have loads of road work....so tailoring the bar postion to what im riding. BUT...keep undoing the bolts probably isnt a good idea is it? (wont they wear?)

Basically i suffer from a neck/shoulder problem so i spend a lot of time (and �� :( ) getting my bikes to feel comfy....and im struggling with the Tenere. who knows...613's may be the answer, will hopefully find out Monday.

I pray to god my dam Barkbusters will still fit!

I'm the same. 34" inside leg, which isn't particularly long for someone my height (I don't think), but quite long in the back.

For me, having the bars a bit on the high side for sitting works quite well, because it forces me to ride with my elbows up, which is A Good Thing for racing. If you've got issues with your shoulders it might not be for you.

The Barkbusters will still fit fine.

WEll, i now have the bars (not fitted though as im stuck decorating the living room :spanking[1]: )

The OEM bars are tapped, and you screw in a reducer for the bark busters to bolt to.

Renthals are not tapped :( SO.....i guess im going to have to tap them. ive tapped small holes before but nothing that big.

I cant be the only one with 613's & barkbusters? what size tap do i need? (im not sure of the proper/enginnering methods for measuring things like this)

Didn't your Barkbusters come with expansion bolts?

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8000/p1010737c.jpg

Or do you have some sort of Tenere OE bar specific fitting kit? If so you might need to get hold of a universal fitting kit for them. I'd do that rather than try and tap the Renthals.

no.

i guess your right, mine must be a Tenere fitment kit. When i ordered them i think i remember selecting "tenere".

Right....next job....find expansion bolts for Barkbusters!

Thanks every so much for your help.

I took my Barkbusters from the standard bars, fitted 613's re-routed the cables as per GULG's instructions and all's well. BB's are just fine.

You will need to check the throttle return on both full locks.

Stop wasting your time decorating and get out in the garage man!!

When you had standard bars did you have expansion bolts then?

i think i might try and get my 613's tapped as it will allow me to use the spacer/bar end weights (inbetween grips and barkbuster arm)

going in the garage 2mo....got my dad coming round to carry on the decorating! :)

Hi, I tapped 613s recently for my 660Z, the standard bar's thread is M16 x 1.5. The bars are quite easy to tap as they are alloy, no drilling required - the internal diameter is correct as supplied to cut to the correct thread. Use plenty of grease and a tapered tap for the initial cut followed by a well greased plug or finisher tap of the same thread to ensure the thread is clean. Flea bay is a good place to source the taps if you don't have them to hand. Hope this helps.

Cheers.

Yes



No need. Weights come with the bark busters mount parts.




Being a Dad myself I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry!!

Thanks for that. how come you tapped yours? was it to fit the OEM barkbuster fitting kit like i want too?

The 613's do look like they have a TINY bit smaller internal diameter, but you said there was no need to drill so thats good. I know some one i can borrow Taps off so will give it a go.

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps77de65f3.jpg


Enduro374: are these the bar end weights your on about? i ask as you can buy extra ones that fit (i think) along the edge of the alloy bar.

SO....what yur saying is if i buy the expanding bolts from Barkbusters i can still use them?

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/w...psaae73546.jpg


also had my dad round decorating today while i was fitting my army special front.....its what dads are for!!! :)

I just used what came in the barkbusters box - simples and threw the old bars and ends out.

I'll try and get a pic up.

That's it, I had Barkbusters on the original bars for a year or so using the threaded inserts that were fitted originally.

A good, (as in not blunt or worn), tapered tap and a bit of pressure to start with were all I needed to tap the new thread in the Renthals, piece of p*$$ ;-)

I carried out the throttle cam mod while I had the throttle cables disconnected too, well worthwhile for slow speed control, ( http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=16757&page=3).

Cheers.

Thanks for that, will get my hand on some M16 taps then :)

Never seen that throttle mod. i've actually been thinking just lately how i dont like the throttle on the ten. The profile seems a little of (hence the mod) but i was thinking of going for a quick action that.

It just seems that when your off road and getting a move on, you have to wrench the throttle round for what seems like for ever :102: