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uk_nick 27-06-11 11:49

Pilgrims Way and North Downs Way
 
Rob and I starting off on the Pilgrims Way.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9370/p6260268.jpg

View over the North Downs.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2951/p6260263.jpg

Our bacon sandwich decides to make a run for it.

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/4131/p6260266.jpg

Rob tackles some of the deeper rutted sections.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/777/p6260267k.jpg

Stupidly I had the combination for the padlock, but was too lazy to use it, then got stuck on the gate!

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1070/p6260269.jpg

Chalk cross on the hillside. This is a "restricted" section of the North Downs Way (I have a permit) and a lot of effort has been made to grade the track - sort of spoils it for off-roaders!

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7879/p6260270.jpg

Continuing on the North Downs Way.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/7647/p6260271.jpg

Found this lane on my way home, great views over Kent, but it did get a bit narrow at the end!

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7412/p6260273.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7785/p6260274.jpg

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/1328/p6260275.jpg

uk_nick 27-06-11 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keithblade (Post 158051)
Was the pig lost or an escapee from a local farm?

An escapee. And Rob and I did our good deed, rounded him up and took him back to the farm.

spm0912 27-06-11 12:43

Hi Nick,

I live on the Downs and often ride some of the tarmac stretches of the Pilgrims Way. I see on the map that some stretches are byways. I'd love to ride those stretches on your photo's.
If it's not giving too much away any chance of sharing the route? Also 'permit'? is that from the NT?

Thanks

Steve

uk_nick 27-06-11 13:34

1 Attachment(s)
Details of the section where you need a permit are here ...

http://democracy.kent.gov.uk/mgIssue...aspx?IId=15321

... and this is the application form for the permit (took only a few days to come through).

https://shareweb.kent.gov.uk/Documen...pplication.pdf

The image shows our route, we did lots of shorter lanes as well, but this is the main section. The "closed" section is marked by the red flags.

spm0912 27-06-11 13:57

Thanks for sharing that nick,
Most appreciated

lolgeoff 27-06-11 14:07

Looks a nice route Nick. I think the excuse for making it permit only a bit lame though, the same excuse could be used by people living next to the M2, M20 and the M25.

maxwell123455 27-06-11 21:06

Cracker photos and looks like some nice off roading area. Shame about the pig getting away would have been a nice lunch find/lunch!!!

lolgeoff 27-06-11 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keithblade (Post 158061)
I think a permit is a great idea:
  • It keeps them open rather than a blanket closure.
  • It allows the authorities to police who is using them.
  • Deters irresponsible idiots from using the trails.
I wish they would adopt this policy in Yorkshire because I for one wouldn't mind the slight inconvenience of an application rather than full closure.

Agreed but they are public right of ways and have been for thousands of years. They should be open to everyone not just permit holders. If the locals are being disturbed by unruly elements then that's a case of lack of enforcement, not a valid reason for excluding law abbiding travellers without the relevant chit.

Gas_Up_Lets_Go 28-06-11 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolgeoff (Post 158078)
Agreed but they are public right of ways and have been for thousands of years. They should be open to everyone not just permit holders. If the locals are being disturbed by unruly elements then that's a case of lack of enforcement, not a valid reason for excluding law abbiding travellers without the relevant chit.

I can't really comment on this lane, but on others the reasons for this method have come down to controlling the use to be able to retain it. Over use on these lanes could easily lead to closure on safety grounds (if they council is that way inclined)

In an ideal world, rights of way are rights of way, unfortunatly we not longer live in that world.

Cumbria use the HOTR method, by giving lanes a Red Amber and Green status based on the use (red being the most used), but in the LDNP (Lake District national Park), permits have been in use for some time on some routes.

It's not ideal, but it is better than a TRO.

bob 04-07-11 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by uk_nick (Post 158049)
Rob and I starting off on the Pilgrims Way.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9370/p6260268.jpg

View over the North Downs.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2951/p6260263.jpg

Our bacon sandwich decides to make a run for it.

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/4131/p6260266.jpg

Rob tackles some of the deeper rutted sections.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/777/p6260267k.jpg

Stupidly I had the combination for the padlock, but was too lazy to use it, then got stuck on the gate!

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1070/p6260269.jpg

Chalk cross on the hillside. This is a "restricted" section of the North Downs Way (I have a permit) and a lot of effort has been made to grade the track - sort of spoils it for off-roaders!

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7879/p6260270.jpg

Continuing on the North Downs Way.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/7647/p6260271.jpg

Found this lane on my way home, great views over Kent, but it did get a bit narrow at the end!

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7412/p6260273.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7785/p6260274.jpg

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/1328/p6260275.jpg

hi nick
im new to trails had a bit of a mid lifer bought myself a 660z i live in essex near kent border
and would love to try the downs trail you were on.
can you send me details of where it is please or advise me how i go about getting a permit
if needed thanks.
bob

uk_nick 06-07-11 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob (Post 158603)
hi nick
im new to trails had a bit of a mid lifer bought myself a 660z i live in essex near kent border
and would love to try the downs trail you were on.
can you send me details of where it is please or advise me how i go about getting a permit
if needed thanks.
bob

Bob - Post number 5 in this thread has a map and links to the application form for the permit.

spm0912 30-09-11 09:21

Eventually got around to riding this route yesterday. Weather was stunning, we managed to pick a route from Mickeys dinner taking in several byways to the start of your marked route. Rode it to the end then turned round and rode the route back to our starting point. 30+ miles and we saw 2 walkers and 1 cyclist on the whole route! And this is 20 mins from central London!
I think some of the wooded sections would be tricky in the winter but yesterday you could have done the whole route on dual sport tyres. So thanks for sharing Nick.

Only downside was a nail in my back tyre on the M20. I managed to change the tube (after much struggling) but I just couldn't re seat the bead with my pump. Even the AA man had to release the air out and lubricate the tyre before it would seat. Any tips from the experts??

chester0_1972 04-10-11 14:35

When you apply for the permit do you specify the date you want it for or do they allocate you a date. Not far from where I live and have ridden some of the route on my mountain bike.

uk_nick 04-10-11 15:39

The permit lasts forever as far as I know. No dates written on it, and they promise to send me a letter if they change the code on the padlock.

In all honesty though, this short strech is not very interesting and no big loss if you cannot ride it.

spm0912 04-10-11 19:27

It's still worth getting a permit as there are other restricted byways in the area that require a permit.

As Nick says though, on this route you're not missing much and the road by pass route has a cafe on it.

chester0_1972 04-10-11 20:54

Thanks for the reply. So can I ride the rest of the route without the permit. Forgive my ignorance but for the last 24 years I've been a road only rider.

spm0912 05-10-11 20:09

99% of the route nick has marked can be ridden without a permit. The pilgrims way section is also well signposted as byway open to all vehicles. It's worth getting an OS map though just to make sure you are where you think you are??

XTsheedy 25-10-11 22:05

Nice photos, I know Pilgrims way well but use my TTR250 off road when round that area.


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