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richardsracingmad 11-11-10 10:55

XT660 to XT734 Conversion
 
I am using Steve Ruth in Suffolk UK, to build the engine, and Cuervo Racing / High Desert Dyno in the USA for the parts and Cylinder Head porting.

My bike is a 2008 XTR, fitted with a DNA Stage 3 Airbox, a Power Commander, and Carbon Cans Exhaust.

I have already sourced a spare engine to use.

Specifications

+1 mm Valves
Uprated Springs
Cuervo Racing Ported/Flowed Cylinder Head
High Desert Dyno HDD5050 Camshaft
Bored out to 734cc with a CP 105.5mm 11:1 Piston
Bored out throttle body 2 or 3mm


To fit this piston, Steve is going the route of : boring out the existing Cylinder, and fitting a liner. This seems an easier option than fitting a Raptor Cylinder, and doesn't need Nikasil Plating either.

A more "lengthy" thread on this conversion is at
http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=14763

dl700 15-11-10 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by richardsracingmad (Post 142775)
I am using Steve Ruth in Suffolk UK, to build the engine, and Cuervo Racing / High Desert Dyno in the USA for the parts and Cylinder Head porting.

My bike is a 2008 XTR, fitted with a DNA Stage 3 Airbox, a Power Commander, and Carbon Cans Exhaust.

I have already sourced a spare engine to use.

Specifications

+1 mm Valves
Uprated Springs
Cuervo Racing Ported/Flowed Cylinder Head
High Desert Dyno HDD5050 Camshaft
Bored out to 734cc with a CP 105.5mm 11:1 Piston
Bored out throttle body 2 or 3mm


To fit this piston, Steve is going the route of : boring out the existing Cylinder, and fitting a liner. This seems an easier option than fitting a Raptor Cylinder, and doesn't need Nikasil Plating either.

A more "lengthy" thread on this conversion is at
http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=14763


Richard, your parts will be on their way shortly, this will be a great build but require some tuning at your end, we hope all goes well!

richardsracingmad 15-11-10 21:03

thanks Dan...it will be fun!

A7 UFO 16-11-10 10:51

this I'll watch with interest

Kev 16-11-10 11:03

Should fly.

cdo1uk 16-11-10 14:30

looking forward to the dyno prints :-)

Steve_athens 16-11-10 23:35

Since im making about the same convertion im going to write about my project too from 660 to 734
the final list of mods is:
+1mm inlet valves
stage 3 reprofiled xt660 camshaft
kibblewhite valve springs
ported head
otr oil cooler
105.5mm 12.5:1 piston
throttle body +2mm
fcr style air inlet
racing ecu with custom map and rev limiter @ 9000rpm
Termignoni exhausts
Termignoni headers
WP 48mm upside down front forks
WP rear shock fully adjustable

Now im waiting for the front fork and rear shock to be fit and then the cylinder....

Kev 17-11-10 01:03

Looking forward to see the torque gains with the 12.5:1 piston.

dl700 17-11-10 05:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kev (Post 143052)
Looking forward to see the torque gains with the 12.5:1 piston.

the difference in tq from 11:1-14:1 is minimal but more compression will support a cam with more duration with more efficency



My expectations of Richards build is as follows
the pipes used on the xt differ greatly from the ATV and may promote more mid rpm gains but this should be somewhat close
Peak hp of 70 @ 7200 rpm making 50 hp by 5000 rpm
Peak Tq of 54 @ 5200 rpm making over 50 tq from 4800 to 7200

:smilies0944:

richardsracingmad 17-11-10 06:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by dl700 (Post 143054)
the difference in tq from 11:1-14:1 is minimal but more compression will support a cam with more duration with more efficency



My expectations of Richards build is as follows
the pipes used on the xt differ greatly from the ATV and may promote more mid rpm gains but this should be somewhat close
Peak hp of 70 @ 7200 rpm making 50 hp by 5000 rpm
Peak Tq of 54 @ 5200 rpm making over 50 tq from 4800 to 7200

:smilies0944:

cripes..my expectations are a little lower on 68hp, but hoping for 57 ft/lbs at 5200.
So, Dan, very close to my estimate! All in all, it will be a very noticeable increase.

But my torque won't drop away from 5000rpm like it does with the standard cam......I will be gaining loads of torque over my current spec. at 7000rpm as well!!! The trade-off will be a slight loss of torque around 3500rpm, maybe 6ft/lbs, against my current spec. which has 42ft/lbs @ 3500rpm. (standard 39ft/lbs@3500)

However, this is all guesswork....................

Whatever it says on the dyno, I will be looking at around and about a 50% increase in power and 40% torque over standard. (I will use a different dyno to set it up, and go back to my original dyno for the power run comparison.)

These figures should equate to a gain from my standard bike of
44hp-68hp = 24hp, and 42ft/lbs-57ft/lbs=15ft/lbs.

And from my bike as it is, with DNA Stage 3 Airbox, PC111 and CC exhaust,
49hp-68hp= 19hp, and 46ft/lbs-57ft/lbs=11ft/lbs

Just doing the Stage 3 airbox and Cans made a huge difference, so this is going to be alot of fun!

dl700 12-12-10 05:05

part were shipped last week, hope you receive them soon!

richardsracingmad 14-12-10 10:06

Thanks Dan!

As far as the ECU tuning goes, I am sending off my ECU for re-flashing to Piasini in Italy.

Kev and Zaburtante have very kindly offered to send their ECU's as well, so that Piasini can see any differences between each ECU.

Kev 14-12-10 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by dl700 (Post 143054)
the difference in tq from 11:1-14:1 is minimal but more compression will support a cam with more duration with more efficency



My expectations of Richards build is as follows
the pipes used on the xt differ greatly from the ATV and may promote more mid rpm gains but this should be somewhat close
Peak hp of 70 @ 7200 rpm making 50 hp by 5000 rpm
Peak Tq of 54 @ 5200 rpm making over 50 tq from 4800 to 7200

:smilies0944:


Nice numbers, you should know as you have modified enough of them.:partyondude:

richardsracingmad 28-06-11 04:38

a quick update...wow time flys by!.

The engine has just been sitting in my garage for months now, but i have been running fairly soft knobbly tyres and doing a fair bit of offroading, so i have been reluctant to use my new motor, as it will probably wreck the tyres.

however, after the HUMM in Spain next week, I will be putting back my road tyres.....and installing my demon engine!

I have been running the Piasini ECU with no issues, the timing is advanced 3deg, rev limit upped to around 8500-8750 rpm (from 7200rpm), and the fuelling altered.

So, hopefully some news in the next couple/three weeks when the engine is in, and when it's dyno'd. Hopefully get my offroad tyres back on soon-once I am used to the new engine

Kev 28-06-11 11:54

We are all waiting. :bounce016:

cjlowndes 11-09-11 00:59

xtx 734cc
 
Hi, I have been chatting to Kev about these conversions as i maybe after this sort of mod to gain more power. I'm down in sunny Sussex and see your from the south. Could you let me know a little more about the places you got the machine work done and where the parts come from. Also costs.
Thank you
Chris

Fuchs 17-10-11 19:16

how is it going richard? your projekt sounds intressting!


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