Noisy Lids!
 

Hi All,

Just want to add a bit to the helmet debate.

We have been testing helmets for a long trip and have some findings to share.

We have no comment on brands as one persons application or demands would differ from another. But what we have found is that a helmet that has been said to be noisy can change dramatically by a change of screen or be quiet with no screen at all when another helmet could be the opposite.

We tested four of the most popular, two costing circa �120 - �200 and two costing circa �300 - �350. You all know what lids they are.

When you can test them back to back under different conditions it really is six of one, half a dozen so to speak.
We opted for a lid that was on the noisy side with our screen we plan to use but had great fit-removable liner and vents that beat the rest. It was one of the more costly ones but the fit was the best for us both.

So in round up, don't be put off a lid just because one person might say it's noisy/heavy/poor fit etc etc. Poor quality is the thing to look out for, if you try it and it fits you well and ticks your own boxes then it is a good lid.

hope you don't mind us adding our six pence worth.

Paul and Angie

that's not 6 pence... that's about 2pence.

So you tested 4 helmets, with names we know but have no idea what the are and we're supposed to guess ?

Most bemusing post i've ever read.

You're not supposed to guess anything, I thought it's pretty obvious what they're saying.

Here's my 2 pence re the title...CCC's minus baffles + no ear plugs = noisy lid whatever the make/model :031:

Not doing a review of lids weeks, that's for people with far greater knowledge than us, perhaps some one like yourself could do that.

Just wanted to get a point across that just because one person finds a problem with a lid doesn't mean to say that you will.

How lucky are we to have the four best lids in the market to test though!
Good luck with the guessing.

Arai Tour x, Shoei Hornet DS, Airoh S4 and a Marushin X-Moto??

Not a bad guess Canny, three out of four is far better than 4-1!!

Hmmmmm.....
 

so, the post basically says

"everyone is different"


:sleep01: a little too tenuous for me this one...

Pretty much, but then the helmet debate is very similar to the tyre debate - you can get a few pointers, but the only way you're going to find out if something suits you is to stump up the cash and put a few thousand miles on it.

The post is not tenuous at all, it is what it is.
If you want me to tell you what lid to buy - ok, go buy a Tourx 3 charley. Doesn't matter what lid suited us or which lid we purchased - people would disagree with us as that particular lid is not for them.
That's why you shouldn't reject a lid on other peoples views - try it - like it - buy it. Simples

Ps, no we didn't buy the X3 Charlies

Blimey it's hard to get a point across.

Yes, tenuous - It is a fairly weak point to make, where there is no argument, "everyone is different"



Not at all, you haven't provided an argument in either direction. Yes people would disagree, you are right in that respect. But they would disagree with some reasoning, or evidence, or just plain prefference - you haven't given anything to discuss, just that you did something, and made a descision based on what you did, but failed to give any indication of what you did.


That's the problem, there isn't realy a point to get across. You are saying that everyone is different, that isn't a point, that is a response to an argument that isn't there - no one has ever said 'everyone is the same', so where is the need for a point ?

I can't belive I've been sucked into this......:hb:

In summary you are saying;

You tested some helmets and found a combination that works for you.

You don't say what you tested, neither did you say how you tested, you don't give any criteria, you don't say how you graded the results, neither do you give any results, but you give a conclusion that everyone is different.

The OP is missing substance, if you were to say how you came to your descision then fine, or the criteria used, or how you used your results to form an opinion, etc. You can still give some substance without entering into the 'this helmet is best' debate, or you can make your results know and why you chose which particular helmet. This would give the guys a way of choosing their next helmet, as you say they might come to a different conslusion, but that's the point, as we are different we choose differently.

No-one can argue to you saying 'xyz helmet is best for me because .....' so why not post your offering in a complete way ?

Arai Tour-X and TKC80 tyres for the Tenere... anything else is just sh!t.

Toot toot!

J x

Every single review on anything in the world is subjective...helmets are no different. As long as the tests are balanced and the parameters of the tests explained I'm sure people will find the results interesting.

This thread reminds me of the childish wind-up where you sing "I know a song that will get on your nerves, get on your nerves, get on your nerves. I know a song that will get on your ner......".

Say what ya mean please i don't everyone understood:toothy9::tazdevil:

Say it how it is. :pjrlaugh_61OD3G::pjrlaugh_61OD3G: Top reply, :YouRock:

narrww, you're wrong, what would you know about it anyway? Bl00dy women :runaway:

Everyone knows the Aria are too heavy, too noisy, and that ruddy great sail at the front catches every bit of wind, vibrating you head like one of those Smash robots.......

OR WARPED:whipit::021:

Yeah yeah - feel the quality, and get some neck muscles - you big pansy!

J x

Ding Ding............round 2

1st round to Jmo :038:

Tour x too heavy - too heavy for what! It will last a three year RTW trip,
feel that extra few grams - that's quality that is.

Tour x too noisy - only at higher speeds on the road - get a road helmet if you spend most of the time on tarmac.

The bloody great spoiler - as above and you will be thankful of that spoiler when you have the sun beating down on you all day for weeks on end - if you ever get to do a big trip over seas. It does come off!

Arai plus points = Quality- D Ring strap-liner-the best vents-perfect for autocom instalation-shell material.

Bad points = Part of the GS riders uniform-Expensive. (Got two at Infinity for �590)
I didn't want an Arai but after testing a few lids it was the best helmet for our purpose.

If you want a **** Helmet, buy a Givi X01

I had a big accident and was luckily wearing an Arai proper competition helmet, (I forget the model name), in a car. I had to be cut out as the sides of the car where against my pelvis! The Arai probably saved my nut , I will never know, but I was glad I was wearing an Arai that day.

I had to bin the helmet, but later bought the same one again.

I swear by Arai.

26 posts on this thread and I still non the wiser.

granted Arai make good helmets that fit some heads but that doesnt mean any other brand would not keep you from suffering severe head injuries in an accident.

nearly anyone who survives a bad crash swears by whatever helmet they were wearing at the time.

my personal opinion is that by wearing a lighter helmet I will hopefully suffer less damage to my neck in the event of an off.

as consumers we have to rely on reviews from magazines etc when buying helmets and it can be a costly game

Except what Luca Manca said about his 'lightweight' helmet in last year's Dakar x

Quite possibly, but there are so many variables in an accident - neck 'whiplash' is only one - I would say impact and abrasion are far more likely scenarios?

Jx

I use a Shoei Sychrotec 2 because it suits my purpose and is extremely comfy. Flip up is dead handy in a lot of situations especially when you want to sneeze. lol.

Helmets used on R6's

I owned the following helmets (no baffles on bike no ear plugs)

shark RSR helmet cost �200.00
arai Astro R �350.00
Some bright coloured AGV helmet �250.00

The shark helmet and arai were super quiet the AGV helmet was deadly within 10 minutes of riding along a 50 limit road I would get the worst headache ever. Even with earplugs in the AGV was shocking. I owned the helmet for a grand total of 1 day before selling it to a friend.
In terms of weight the AGV was the most heavy by far followed by the Arai then shark being the lightest.

I really do believe helmets can differ big style.

I also found that visor mechanisms vary big style some good, some very bad. Much to my supprise I found the Arai visor mechanism a fiddle and frankly a paint to remove even though Arai boast about their quick release mechanisims. My original Shark helmet had an awfull mechanism however the new Shark helmet is very good and fairly Robust.
In terms of safety not yet tested any of them if I live I'll let you know!

I currently own a Shark RSI prime helmet and it has been very good so far, I'd say it is fairly quiet and the cheapest helmet I have owned �185.00 on offer.
The mechanism is good on the visor and easy to change visors.
In terms of aero dynamics my XT isn't exactly the most streamline of machines so really dont think it makes that much difference to be honest.
The only downfall I think is the mechanism on the air vents. I find it confusing to work out when the vents are open or closed.
Overall I have always been impressed with the shark helmets.