yam super tenere 1200
 

Just been flicking through the new mcn and it has some sneak pic of the new tenere, which is due out in spring next year, i ride a xtx atm but i will deff be considering a look at this when it pops on sale

Yeh, me too. It's obviously geared to the touring side of adventure riding, rather than off-road. It looks like a prettier version of Suzuki's V Strom to me, a bike I've owned for five years and loved every minute, but that's in need of an update. If Suzuki aren't doing it maybe Yamaha have, Really looking forward to seeing proper pics and in the flesh.

Forgot to say ...... for those like me who don't have the paper, you can see the pics on their website www.motorcyclenews.com

Thank you for this. Heard about it too, and was keen to see the first pictures.

Alexis.

If MCN (More Crap than News) had a headline story saying that the sun would rise in the morning, I'd be waiting until morning to see for myself.

It's just a very fuzzy picture of a model.

And Yamaha are being very quiet about the size of the motor - so my money is on something more in the 1000cc capacity.

The model seems quite similar to the TDM to my mind so I would not be too surprised if they used that engine tuned to create a little bit more torque than it currently does. Having had it as a loan bike it pulls pretty well and has better balance than the Tenere. Maybe if they lengthhened the stroke, increasing capacity and torque, they might get nearer a 1000cc version perhaps. That would be easier than developing a new engine entirely.

Natty little video just released here- http://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/super-tenere/

If I wanted a 1200cc Bike I would have kept the GS1200. I personally would not buy it for the same reason that I sold the GS and got the Tenere 660.

Same here..... Nice if you never had a GS or big adventure bike though. Im sticking to the 660 its a great bike and does everything I want it to.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload...r-tenere-2.jpg

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...ices-revealed/

�13416 they're having a ****ing laugh

More then a BMW 1200GS Adventure, I know which I would buy.

Except the pricing is comparable in France (who have higher bike prices than here), where the original leak occurred, and was a full spec S10. I would expect the prices over here to be similar to how a GS is priced over here, so more around the ��10k mark... We shall see.

M C N = More Crap than News...

They haven't even got a proper picture of this bike yet!

xxx

Just what she said ^


One day that bl00dy paper will get something right........:whipit:

Lets hope MCN are up to their usual accurate standards with the price then..

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...ices-revealed/

I think there are a number of factors that will dictate the price of the new Super Tenere (when it ever sees the light of day)...

Primarily what each market will stand - as I recall, when the 660Z was launched here at �4899 otr, the Europeans were paying over �6000 (it may have been more)... now I know in 2008 we had the exchange rate slightly more in a favour, but that was still around 20% more than we paid in the UK market... and look how the Australians are being spanked for the 660Z - they pay $14-15,000 AUD (that's �7,900-8,500), and correspondingly more for a BMW too...

Out of interest, how much does Europe pay for a 1200GSA on the road? That ought to give some indication of the final price for the new Super Tenere in Europe - and likewise, around the UK price of the GSA what it will cost here in the UK... if it is more than �11,000 it will bomb, just like the their other 'niche' bikes: the Road Star Warrior, V-Max, MT-01 etc etc.

xxx

Yamaha have a habit of over pricing some of their new models then dropping the price once they dont sell. IMO for it needs to be way less than the GS/GSA(market leader in this sector). Deserved or not BMW is considered a premium brand in a way Yamaha is not and people expect to pay for a BMW or less for a Yamaha.

I had the TDM, and is a great bike, but its 225kg. I would think that for trail work a 660 is already big enough physically, in terms of weight, as well as power (although more of that can be fun too).

TDM is great for touring, very flat torque curve...but too big for the trail. (As I think the GS is.)

I agree - and they need to pitch the Super Tenere low (like they did with the 660Z, which, it turns out, they could have sold for a grand more, which they are doing now!) if they are going to seriously get people to look, let alone buy a Super Ten compared to a GSA... It worked with the 660Z - it was sufficently cheap enough for people to consider against the BMW 650/800... and when people actually rode it, most thought it wasn't worth spending the extra �1500-2000 for that 'sort' of bike...?

Maybe we should run a book - for what it's worth, I reckon sub 1000cc (99* something), and sub �10,000 (I'd say under �9,000, but with all the electronics they're talking about) I reckon �9899 is the right sort of money...

What says y'all?

xxx

Personally I'd like to see it pitched against the GS800. Keep it simple and light stick a modern tdm900 engine in an XTZ660Z sized frame all for 7k and bobs a close friend of your mother. Having run a 1200GS its great for two up road touring and I know some of the off road gods can fling them around but lighter is better IMO. I fear we're going to get an overpriced overweight Vstrom instead of a Tenere with bigger balls

I say, last time I discussed money with you I was well and truly spanked. So this time I'm keeping my big mouth shut.


(but I do tend to agree with your thinking)

Hee hee - it always cost more than you think eh?

If this new bike is going to have shaft drive, traction control, ABS (linked) brakes etc etc. I can't see it being less than �9000 to be honest... it would be great to think it would be �8999, but I reckon, based on the 'market sector' competition (BMW 1200GA, KTM990A and from a tech perspective the new Ducati Multistrada), I reckon my price estimate (�9899) is close - if only for Yamaha to a make a reasonable profit?

xxx

Thing is JMo, Yamaha have announced a 20% (I believe, may be 25%) increase in their pricing, so new Tenere's are going to be �6400 now...
They've maintained it will be a 1200cc bike, so I think it will be, even though I posited early on that it would be a re-worked TDM/TRX/XTZ twin motor.
Priced at sub �10k would be nice, but it's going to be on a parallel with their FJR in terms of toys, and they are the wrong side of �10k already.
Time to just sit back and wait I think, but I do still hope it's possible to buy one without all the gizmos.

I'm not so sure Tom - nowhere has Yamaha said it will be 1200cc, only a 'large capacity parallel twin'... 1200 is only the magic number MCN have mooted (and everyone copied) because that is what BMW had to use to get more than 100bhp out of that Zeppelin engine...

However, in light of what you're saying about Yamaha prices going up across the board, then yes, there is every chance it will be over �10,000... but if it's over �11,000 - it will bomb - it has to be in the same ballpark as the GSA, 990A...?

Jx

Ah, but what if the stock SuperTen is better equiped, I am off course reffering to the 'extras' that you need to buy with BMUU (Wheels, forks, Bars, etc), or even the Touratech shopping trip - what if Yamaha put all this in the stock bike (think how good the stock Ten is) and gamble of the "this is the only money you need to pay to travel the world" line ??

All they will need is a quote from some mag saying the SuperTen is better than a GS-A, and a huge queue of GS riders (the ones with more money that sense and shiney GS's with road tyres on them) will be only to keen to 'upgrade', on the basis that 'more money=better bike'

I have gone back and checked my sources, and you are correct. I shall now go and jump from the roof to a timely death.
Can I go back to my original idea of a bigger/upgraded XTZ/TRX/TDM engine now please?

Edit to Add, GULG, I think that Yamaha are losing the 'look how good the Tenere is compared to a GS' battle with the price raising. As it is, the F800GS has better wheels, suspension, chassis components etc than the Tenere, but it was also a good chunk more money. If the Tenere goes to �6400, then it's on a par with the F650GS, and also not far off the F800GS cost wise, and then it's kit and build start to appear shabby. I wonder if the price move is in some way a deterrent to people from buying the Tenere, and instead a leader to them buying a Super Tenere?

That's an interesting point Tom - after all, the 660Z has sold well, but I wonder if the market for that sort of 'dedicated' travel bike has now reached saturation? (certainly as far as UK/Europe is concerned at least...)

It would be interesting to see some numbers regarding registrations - although that may be skewd by the fact there was limited availability in 2008, and the price rose significantly in 2009... that said, certainly most dealers have one on their floor now, and the larger dealers two or more in stock...

It may be that most 'serious' buyers have bought a 660Z now, and as you suggest - the 'oh I quite fancy an adventure bike' brigade may well be tempted by the Super Tenere if the price differential is not so extreme? Certainly pricing the 660Z against the BMW 650/800 twin is a questionable marketing ploy in my mind!

J x

ps. I still think you were right all along with the upgraded TDM engine - makes perfect sense to me...

I just can't see a 1200cc version of the TDM motor, which started life in the Superten as 750cc, ok it's gone up 150cc in the TDM900 but I'm struggling to see where the extra 300cc will came from.

Plus I don't see them producing a midrange bike that competes with the 660z..... hope I'm wrong.

Still its good marketing by Yamaha, keeps us all guessing and talking about it.

It'll be a 850/900 DOHC Triple.

It won't! It will be a parallel twin, as it says on the Yamaha website!

The capacity is still open to question though (1200cc is a red herring, or should that be rot bratwurst?!) - which is why the TDM engine is the logical (read budget) basis for the new power-plant, with a few tweaks to up the capacity to around a litre - say 990cc? (wouldn't that be a coincidence!)

xxx

It's interesting to hear the comments from ex-GS owners, because it's kind of go the reputation of being the panacea for adventure bikes (Boringman and McGregor made it so). And BMW does make some nice kit IMHO.

However, those sort of comments are making me (even more) satisfied with my choice of XT660. http://dashack.co.uk/gocmc/Smileys/classic/love4.gif

Super Tenere 2010
 

I found this on youtube just now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-3co...eature=related


Wow looks good and takes alot from the Tenere

I think its just a concept though?

If it turns out anything like those it will be superb. I like the idea of a high front mudguard on my tenere but also want to fit the low one like the XT if it fitted the forks which look different

I played 2 seconds of that and knew exactly what it was - just some dreamer with photoshop and way too much time on their hands... half of it is an XT660Z, the rest is fantasy (and Akrapovic is spelt wrong someone pointed out)... it is almost believable right up to the point he starts putting cigarette advertising on them... there will never be a factory rally twin, and any 'replica' paintjob would have to use a lame pun in this modern day and age...

Cute video and concept though!

Jx

Don't know whether it was an assumption, guess or inside information but I picked up a price list yesterday from my local Yam dealer and it had a Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 listed with the price to be confirmed.

Logan

Interesting how the sales/marketing guys of Yamaha dealers sometimes hear about something and make up the biggest BS you can find, ...and the best is there is people who really believe them.
Yamaha dealer in SA also have it in local dirt magazine to "Book your Super Tenere now to avoid dissapointment"...but in reality it took SA 2 years to get the latest XTZ in the country, how long are we going to wait for this SUPER XTZ???. :wicked01:. By the time that bike hits SA floors, that bike already had 2 transformations...
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