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sod this, new can, singular.
Finally bit the bullet, bike went to Simmi Performance to have can fitted with manufactured link pipe today, it will be a race can with removable baffle, slip on type with 2 inch apperture.
Will put up some decent photos or at least some links to good photos as there are none available on this forum, or only a very small handful. WATCH THIS SPACE, Simmi will keep measurements handy for future requirements. |
You've beaten me to it, I was down at Simmis the other weekend, and had a natter with the guy about a single can set up too!! My question is , will you/do you plan on fitting a power commander / or will simmi have the neccessary equipment to adjust the mixture,etc to suit the pipe?? I really fancy a simmi can, but I can't afford to lash out on a Power commander too!!
Look forward to seeing your pics , and any other info about how you set the bike up would be most welcome, cheers and good luck!!
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this sounds interesting ,look forward to update and photos
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How much be it? :icon_question: Timpo |
Timpo.....
Have Adv Spec been using your bike for the single pipe their making? They used your bike for the Pegs didn't they? Just seeing if you had an info on their pipe you see..... :blob6: |
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links to 2 photos, when I have somme better ones I will pass them on, hope you can see them, minyuns have no right to post pics on this forum it would appear, unless you know better than I. No news on power commander yet, just going to suck it and see. Will be running it with a baffle though to keep a little pressure, also you will note can is no shorter so no perceived loss of bottom end. Keep watching, not picked it up yet, Simmi texted me these photos toady. God bless him, �180 but he needs your bike to do the job. |
Looks nice, but i would be very carefull to not scratch it.
I still think that aftermarket exhausts don't fit the design, they always create large gaps (next to the lights and above the muffler). The exhausts look very cool, but just not on the bike (if you ask me). |
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2730/...f52915fb_b.jpg Actually I'll only stick that one up as the other has your plate showing. Neat job. �180 including the silencer? |
yup, �180, Nelis, an opinion is like an *******, everybody got one,and NO, I didn't ask you.
Instead of putting an absolute negative into a story, why not just reed it and enjoy it. Don't give a rats ass about scratching it, it is a work bike and hopefully now an off road bike, with 6000 miles, 1 winter, 1 to come and rarely sees a sponge, tend to ride mine more than look at it. |
Hey timpo, no to both, this is the first time he has met me and the bike, don't know who ADV spec are and "Simmi" did state that he would need a customers bike to fit a can to, I assume until he has done a few.
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Very very very very nice and shinny. I like it:Speedy_Superhero_Q3
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Now we're talking, �180 ?? for a can and link pipes ??
That is a bl00dy good deal by any standard, even better if they could do it without the bike. How's about posting some contact details, I'm fairly sure they'll get some trade out of this :toothy5: A couple of questions though, Weight ?? how much is the saving over the stock 8Kg setup ?? Noise, it's always a bug bear, but better to keep within limits, and long distances with loud pipes can be, erm, irritating to say the least - I think so anyway. They are going to be louder, but how loud ?? Clearly this is going to need the fueling adjusted, but at a combined price of PCv can and link pipe (dyno'd) at around �700 it's a crakingly good option. Obviously, it only needs one bike to have the dyno treatment so someone has the possibility of offsetting thier costs here by donation sharing. Great move this, I'm not so sure about the bling/shiney look, but a couple of slides in the dirt will sort that out. �180 - Can't believe it! Did you have to sleep with them ?? :respeck: |
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I think the pipe that 'Simmi' has made is a great budget alternative for anyone who wants a single can (although I'd prefer to see it skinned in satin alloy rather than bright stainless), and there is plenty of space on the other side for a tool tube - either the plastic ones Adventure-Spec sell, or even a metal fabricated one to match the silencer? Certainly the one thing a single can does highlight is how clunky the rear light unit looks once the stock (twin exit) exhaust is removed... I replaced mine with a DRC Anato unit on the rally bike, but if the stock light is retained I would agree the bike needs something to visually balance it out from the rear? xxx |
thats a great price,i like the look give me a 2-1 system everytime
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steady on guys, I am stillwaiting to pick the bike up yet, you are all very excited.
Simmi, you can get his info via a popular auction site and search simmi, his contact detail is readilly available there. �180, didn't sleep with him, no, theres nothing queer about Simmi exhausts, |
nice pipe nice price
when you get the bike back can you update as too noise/performance/weight etc are there any other skin options I fancy black or grey (just like the weather for the next 6 months) |
OK, in short, the pipe is on, and ridden home for the first time tonight, 12 miles through town then 16 milesdual carriageway. Bear in mind please this is the first time on the bike in a little over a week so judgements may be a little blurred.
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Less surging, it would appear, the old system I think is pants for surging whilst filtering, looks like that has now been reduced somewhat. Need to have a play with this, but do not expect to have to get the fuel remapped, Only one thing to do now, tell you guys to get one sorted, however you decide to do it, and enjoy, I need to staret playing with it now, I have also cut the snorkel from my airbox, all is good, want to take spark plug out in a few days to confirm its not running lean. |
Can is stainless steel, it can be ran through a polishing machine to give it a brushed look,
Enduro end caps will be available but only on round and not oval cans, carbon option yes, no ally, �180 upover for the base model and link pipe, the link pipe has about 6 pieces in it to get the angles, for the first few he needs the bike, in the understanding the orig pipework runs into the bike as opposed to out. Wuite complicated were his words. |
Nice one stormtrooper, I like the news that you feel like theres no need to re-map.
Please ride the ****** and do a plug chop to confirm the mixture, you don't wanna burn valves out and all that!!. If the mixtures OK then I'll be straight down to get one made, as I can't afford a PCV -the cost does not warrant a small HP gain in my books. I spoke to Simmi the other day and he initially said he was concerned about the differences in volume between the standard and a siungle silencer, and also suggested that he could do a double pipe set up too, which may be attractive to punters wanting to retain a "balanced" look to the bike.I suppose then, that a dummy can for storage would not be too difficult for him either. Seems like an all-round nice bloke, with a cracking little set up too!! Hurry up and let me know about your mixture findings- I feel an early chrimbo present coming on!!
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Looking at the plug is not an accurate test. If you get it dyno'd you'll find that it'll probably be running lean in certain parts of the rev range and ok in others. A quick dyno test (and if necessary a PCV or Kev's mod) is a tad cheaper than a new piston.
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Hi, ok, so I might have a few fuelling problems, didn't think it would be that bad, Hmmm, what is the PCV mod, had a look abd understand kevs mod, might need to get this thing re mapped if that is possible, but please let me know what the PCV mod is first, thanks guys.
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It's the best way to get your fueling spot on, but the best results are also in conjunction with better airflow (ie. DNA filter and airbox lid) as the more air you can put in, the more fuel you can add, and bingo - more power! xxx |
Maybe a new topic time, but just quickly, JMo, do you know of anyone fitting a new ECU to the XT's at all? Either something DIY like a megasquirt, or up to a Wolf or MoTEC unit?
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I'd just reiterate how impressive a properly set-up PCV is with the stage 2 airbox, single exhaust (and O2 eliminator & AIS removal) - seriously, the bike feels properly alive now! xxx |
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I've not seen her for about 5 weeks, so I have no idea how it looks now........:Pyshic_C5UYG8:, she'll be right, I have every confidence in Wonky and his crew. Timpo. |
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Reasons that being able to program the ECU is better than a PC are that whilst the PC only adjusts the fuel signal to the injectors, with a programmable ECU you can also adjust (amongst other things) the ignition curve, throttle body trim and run real time adjustments on the bike. I was hoping there would be a piece of software like Tuneboy available for the Tens, but sadly not. They only seem to specialise in SAGEM ECU's. I used it on my old Capo to really great effect. And Tuneboy is cheaper than a PC. On your second point, absolutely, I completely agree. It's always worth doing the whole package, but where do you stop? :D |
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I've got a PC V, an X-Racing silencer and a DNA Stage 2 air filter with the air box cover all set up in a dyno and the improvement is indeed impressive! I'm very happy with it. However I don't have an O2 eliminator. If I did, how would it affect my bike with all the mods so far? Would I gain more torque at the lower revs or all the revs or what? If I'd get one now, how much would I have to alter the PC V map that I have now (I really don't want to take it to a dyno again)? Jami |
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If the O2 sensor is still fitted, then at lower engine speeds it will try and send a signal to the ECU, possibly conflicting with what the PCV is trying to tell it... by removing the O2 sensor (and fitting an eliminator), all you get is the PCV map the whole time. I'm not sure it will result in any more power necessarily (I don't imagine so), only that the power curve will be smoother and not 'interrupted' at all, as it is only using the map in the PCV... I doubt you'd have to remap the PCV again, unless you were being really fussy! I imagine Kev is your man to really explain the technical aspect of it... J xx |
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I wasn't around when the bike was being dynoed and tuned up but I trust the guy who did it. But still I'm wondering why it backfires so much on lower revs if it's now properly set up. Is it just typical for the type of engine or is it the O2 sensor still confusing it? And no, I'm not a fussy type of person, just practical :-). Kev, if you're reading this, I would indeed like to know more about the technical aspect of the O2 sensor/eliminator. Thanks. Jami |
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However, you could be right that the O2 sensor is sending a signal to the ECU which is trying to lean the engine right off on the closed throttle - I imagine removing the O2 sensor will certainly help, if not eradicate that trait completely... it should certainly sort out any fluffiness you've got below 3000rpm... As for blocking/removing the AIS plumbing, it is very simple to do, and certainly minimises that overrun popping... there is some info on here about how to block it effectively, but to be honest, I'd just junk the whole set up and block the inlet to the exhaust manifold with a plate (don't forget to seal the airbox hole too though!) - in fact I understand Petebog is planning on producing a kit to do this, but it is pretty easy to do yourself... xxx |
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Thanks again! Jami |
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It's pretty simple to do - once the tank is off, you simply unbolt the solenoid/valve assembly and disconnect the wiring connector (I'd cover the terminal in tape/heat shrink to stop any corrosion in future). Once you've removed the rubber hoses, you need to seal the hole in the airbox (I used a rubber cap, with superglue), and make a small plate to cover the hole between the exhaust manifolds. You could just cut the pipe and crimp/solder/weld it up, but it would look a bit ugly - I used the original diamond shaped plate as a pattern and cut a blanking plate from 1/4 inch aluminium - job done as they say! xxx |
Another way.
http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?p=101266&posted=1#post101266 If a bike is run on the dyno with the AIS open, the air/fuel ratio will be out & the fuel map will be made wrong. The AIS must be blocked off before the bike is run on the dyno. |
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So it's running too rich now? Did I understand correctly? Jami |
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The extra air that is injected into the exhaust shows up as a leaner mixture then it really is, so the dyno tuner runs the fuel map richer to correct this leaner A/F. With the AIS blocked off the exhaust gas readings are now a true refection on the A/F ratio. |
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Whould he be able to supply a link pipe? without the silencer!
Silencer is not to my taste i have a diferent ideea but need link pipeeeeee:blowup: :smilies0979: |
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