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Stewpot666 21-05-09 22:08

Help with my new carbon cans!!!!!
 
Ok so i have just had my ccc full lenght ss ovals and im a little puzzeled

First, dose anyone know where to buy or what clamp to use to attach the new link pipe to the old exhaust pipe (down under the footpegs) as the old ones is welded on to the old exhausts, i managed to get it off but it is too big to clamp the new link pipe????

second, i have 3 brackets that are the same size and one that is much much bigger, i think this is just a mix up at ccc, will have to ask them 2moro

also i can't seem to get the exhausts to sit stright do you have to bend and shape the brackets that come with the exhausts???

HELP IS NEEDED

Many thanks

:newbie:

motonacio 21-05-09 22:58

I used stainless jubilees from Halfords for the link pipes.

The brackets should all be the same size.

Yes you have to bend (carefully) the brackets so the attachment is vertical from the exhaust close to the hanger (i.e. offset inboard).

motonacio 21-05-09 23:22

P.S. Don't forget to re-use the spacers from your existing cans.

Stewpot666 21-05-09 23:34

Spacers????

Cheers will go to hallfords 2moro

motonacio 22-05-09 08:21

The spacers fit between the mounting points on the frame and the lugs on the brackets to space the exhausts away from the bike. If you don't fit them the exhaust will foul the tyre when the suspension is in compression. They should be there on the existing exhausts. Some people have made thicker-walled spacers because the existing ones can allow vibration which may lead to bracket failure. One ex-member of the site had several sets of brackets because he did not ensure they were properly fitted - fit the exhausts loosely and adjust the pipe run correctly then tighten the link pipe connectors (jubilees) and the pipe into silencer box lastly tighten the brackets which hold the box itself.

This method has worked successfully for a set of CCC carbon longs on one of my bikes and the CCC carbon stubbies on the other bike. I did not use thicker-walled spacers.

Tony660x 22-05-09 11:01

This picture may help, you should see the spacer between the clamp and frame.

http://www.xt660.com/gallery/display...hp?imageid=902

Stewpot666 22-05-09 12:41

I got a new set of spacers with the cans, but i have noticed i put them in a different place, inbetween the two tops of the brackets, this is because i couldn't actually get em round the can ={

will have to have another go

Cheers

Stewpot

RedDog 22-05-09 16:49

I had lots of problems getting my oval cans lined up correctly.

On the right hand side I have bracket/spacer/bracket/frame
on the left bracket/bracket/spacer/frame

Hope that makes sense

I think the right side is correct.

It took so long that I really can't be bothered to take it all apart again.

Bear 22-05-09 20:54

The ovels are a bit of a bu**er to line up and you should have got clamps for the link pipes but you will strugle to seal them! Mine still blow!

RedDog 22-05-09 22:34

Try a thin smear of silicon bathroom or window sealer around the joints before you slide them together, works a treat and does not set hard.
Also retighten the clamps after a week or so.

My full length carbon ovals have been on for around a month and I've noticed they are changing sound.
When they were first on they popped and banged like crazy. After a few days I removed the clamps, coated the threads with copaslip and tightened them. The excessive popping was gone, but they had a harsh metallic rasping sound.

Now they are bedding in and the wadding inside is compressing, they sound a lot more bassy and mellow, with a fantastic bark when the taps are cracked open. On the overrun they pop and fart with the occasional loud backfire. Sometimes I get a squelchy pop when changing up a gear which I love doing in traffic. :rockwoot:

I was sat next to a Ducati ST4 with stainless Remus pipes yesterday and both bikes sounded very similar.

By the way, don't fit louder cans so that cars will notice you, the b*stards still don't see you. They may hear you coming, but they don't bother to look for you. I had 3 pull out in front of me one day this week, my commute is only around 5 miles.:rant:

Stewpot666 22-05-09 22:53

I got some exhaust sealent that a guy in the local bike shop recomended to fit on the new link pipe so it shouldn't blow, i started it up and bloody hell it was loud, dont think i will be removing the baffelers afterall

waiting for the last clam to come from ccc b4 i take it out on the road and really push it up through the gears, will have to post some pic soon

cheers for all the help

:seasaw:

Powerfreak 22-05-09 23:44

I got my stainless ovals yesterday and am having the same problems also.
I also have the problem of the end can fouling on the indicator bracket.Im pretty sure the (middle) link pipe is too long so gonna have to grind it down approx 5mm .Is it normal for the can to be very close to the indicators/indicator bracket??And do these cans get very hot at the end of the cans outlet? if they do this could possibly melt the indicator/bracket.
One other thing that really upset me about these cans is that one of them had weld splater marks on alot of the outer side of can which im hoping will polish out.I dont understand why this wasnt cleaned and polished off,its not as if it could have gone out un-noticed as it had to be wrapped in bubble wrap so must have been seen by someone!
Are there supposed to be any jubily clips/exhaust brackets that come with the ccc order? as i didnt get any.
One other thing guys is where can i get the gasket to seal off the air in the join from the down pipes to the middle link pipe? Like the standard cans have.
Thanks in advance!

Powerfreak 22-05-09 23:45

Guys look at the carbon round full length image in this thread http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=2145 and you will see what i mean about how close it is to the indicator.Keep in mind that the image is of the ROUND full length cans and not the oval so imagine how close the oval are to the indicators.Infact mine are pushing against the indicators/brackets which is just no good as im sure you will all agree.
The bike image with the twin pots on has modified the indicator bracket as he/she must have had the same problem. also same problem is on the Titanium oval full length image.

CaptMoto 22-05-09 23:53

Guys I don't believe you are doing this right, the CCC are an exact measured retrofit and not only they come with all the clamps and connectors required, you don't need to chop anything, just fit them in this order:

After you remove the OEM cans you should be left with the headers that go from the engine head to the 2 ends under the sump.
  1. First fit the link pipes from the headers side, leave them loose, do not tighten them up
  2. fit the cans to the other end of the lnk pipes and again make sure these are loose and not tightened.
  3. fit the clamps around the cans and to the bike frame, you can use one or two its up to u. But remember 2 clamps are always better than one.
  4. begin tightening the can to the rear part of the link pipes making sure the cans are straight and that they don't interfere with the indicators.
  5. tighten the link pips (engine end sides) to the headers and then run a spanner on all the bolts again to ensure there is a firm grip.
Repeat the tightening process in a week's time once the joints have bedded in properly.

Do not worry about a slight gas leak from the joints this will seal up naturally by the exhaust soot carbons.

Powerfreak 23-05-09 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptMoto (Post 95373)
Guys I don't believe you are doing this right, the CCC are an exact measured retrofit and not only they come with all the clamps and connectors required, you don't need to chop anything, just fit them in this order:

After you remove the OEM cans you should be left with the headers that go from the engine head to the 2 ends under the sump.
  1. First fit the link pipes from the headers side, leave them loose, do not tighten them up
  2. fit the cans to the other end of the lnk pipes and again make sure these are loose and not tightened.
  3. fit the clamps around the cans and to the bike frame, you can use one or two its up to u. But remember 2 clamps are always better than one.
  4. begin tightening the can to the rear part of the link pipes making sure the cans are straight and that they don't interfere with the indicators.
  5. tighten the link pips (engine end sides) to the headers and then run a spanner on all the bolts again to ensure there is a firm grip.
Repeat the tightening process in a week's time once the joints have bedded in properly.

Do not worry about a slight gas leak from the joints this will seal up naturally by the exhaust soot carbons.

CM i have done this and tried alot of other ways, even thought maybe there is a left and right can so swapped them over and still hit the same problem of the cans interfering with the indicators.
Also didnt recieve any clamps at all apart from the exhaust can brakets and cap heads, no link pipe clamps.
Will i need any gaskets or some kind of sealent for the link pipe captM? or shall i just tighted clamp (halfords exhaust clamp) without anything sealing it?

Stewpot666 25-05-09 14:08

Finally got my new cans fitted, with a little help from dad, and although they were a pain in the ass and i had to use an exhaust clamp from a cbr carbon can for now, they look and sound wicked here are a few pics


http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/S1051860.jpg



http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/S1051861.jpg

CaptMoto 25-05-09 15:16

Wow your new cans look wicked!! I didn't know you could get full lenght ones with the domed ends, they sure add a very captivating look.

For the record, up until the time when CCC was owned by the previous man, not the current owner, they used to supply the following:
  • the 2 cans of course
  • 4 sets of hanging clamps the ones with the rubber rings to go around the exhausts
  • 4 sets of fixing clamps 2 per each can to go between the cans and the link pipes and to go from the link pipes to the headers.
If any of these are no longer supplied I shall ask CCC, what's the score here, not sure if they forgot to include them in your parcels (Powerfreak) or if it is something they have stopped supplying, in which case I would be very disappointed. But I'll let you all know soon as Bank Holiday is off.

Stewpot666 25-05-09 16:23

Cheers, i didn't think they were gonna look like they did but im very pleased with em, also i only got 1 set of clamps that were to connect the cans to the link pipes, but exhaust clamps from halfords (42mm if anyone needs em as i got the wrong size twice) are only 99p each and worked a treat.



Cheers
Stewpot
A very happy camper indeed:blob5:

RedDog 26-05-09 12:18

Got mine from CCC about a month ago and this is what was in the boxes.
4 clamps for the cans with rubber inserts and 4 clamps for the pipes, two of them are on the bottom of the cans in the pic.
No problem with them touching the indicators.


http://www.xt660.com/gallery/display...bon%20Ovals%22

Stewpot666 26-05-09 23:00

Finallly took my bike out and pushed it up through the gears, and i have to say i did notice it is a little better mid range, 30 to 60mph but when i change gear i get a loud single pop is this normal????

even if it aint it sounds bloody good

:notworthy:

maxwell123455 26-05-09 23:48

The popping is normal and i do like the domed ends on your cans.

I ordered a set of CCC from the previous owner and got the wrong clamps sent out (i ordered round cans, and got oval clamps) but just contacted simon the owner and he was very sorry for the mistake and sent out a set of round clamps straight away.

As for the can fouling the indicator you should be able to put the can up on the clamps as the hole at the top of the clamp is more of a slot so you can push it up and clear the indicator but be carefull you dont go too far and touch the top plastics

Stewpot666 27-05-09 00:07

Cheers, wasen't sure about em when they turned up but i love em now, cheers for the help, i spoke to simon he said he would send me a new clamp:hello2:

CaptMoto 27-05-09 02:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewpot666 (Post 95830)
Cheers, wasen't sure about em when they turned up but i love em now, cheers for the help, i spoke to simon he said he would send me a new clamp:hello2:

Thank Godf for that, which means he should have sent u all clamps included and by some freak nature he forgot. At least he put that right and that is one less item for me to nag at him.... :Mandy:

johnno 27-05-09 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewpot666 (Post 95571)
Finally got my new cans fitted, with a little help from dad, and although they were a pain in the ass and i had to use an exhaust clamp from a cbr carbon can for now, they look and sound wicked here are a few pics


http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/S1051860.jpg



http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/S1051861.jpg

looks a good fit,i like very much http://www.xt660.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Stewpot666 27-05-09 20:16

CHeers was a bit of a ****** to get em both stright so it looks spot on from the back but worth it

:woo:

CaptMoto 27-05-09 21:37

Truly worth it, they are some of the best set of :CCC: I have seen so far

well done :eusa_clap:


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